dev1024 - healing magic

[Sasaraixx]

RDM and SCH are support classes get over it. They were never made to be just as good healers or nukers as their respective counter parts. Their strength comes from which subs they choose and how they support the party as a whole. So youre Cure IV is weaker...you have 2 choices use a Helix to make your spell stronger, or keep Regen-ga up on party members so the WHM can focus on other buffs and supporting the tank.

As RDM you can refresh the WHM to let them use higher Cure's in quick succession while you top people off they can''t get to immediately. But this is all providing you want those job to be healers and forget their other abilities and duties. Because certain pieces of equipment give bonus if aligned with the right weather, yay for helix. SCH can also help tanks keep hate by increasing emnity gain. RDM is still the only job with Tier 2 enfeebles that can land consistently on HNMs and has an easy and simple way to change a mobs resistance with Enspells.

You have never played either SCH nor RDM before have you? There are so many inaccuracies in this post.

[Reaux]

So what I am seeing from the last few posts, outside of name calling and only about 2 with proof, is that RDM and SCH believe the only way they can support a party is via a higher tier cure? Seems as we get into higher levels not just SE, but the playerbase is forgetting how many different ways a job can be played and what they bring to the table.

If you really want Cure V level WHM, otherwise wait till 99 cap as we get Cure VII and you can have Cure V to support in the only way SCH and RDM seem to understand. Seems to me you guys wanna play as healers, not the respective jobs you are....support, even in category of heals, does not mean you get the same tools you just use the ones you are given differently.

[Raksha]

If you really want Cure V level WHM, otherwise wait till 99 cap as we get Cure VII and you can have Cure V to support in the only way SCH and RDM seem to understand. Seems to me you guys wanna play as healers, not the respective jobs you are....support, even in category of heals, does not mean you get the same tools you just use the ones you are given differently.

What should a Light Arts SCH be doing if they aren't healing?

All of our so-called support capability was given away to everyone via subbable Accession. WHM/SCH or RDM/SCH can both do AoE stoneskin (or hell, even WAR/SCH can do that!), RDM/SCH can do aoe phalanx, COR now gets TWO different, AND MORE POTENT regains.

Let's not forget that SCH isn't even the most MP efficient healer anymore. WHM/SCH has all of the mp tools that SCH main does (light arts, conserve mp, penury, sublimation) IN ADDITION TO pants which give you MP back for curing! Add on to that capped cure potency and cureskin and it's not even a contest. Only thing that would make WHM even better would be if they could Convert on top of all that.

Giving SCH or RDM a new cure (doesn't have to be cure5) isn't going to obsolete WHM AT ALL. WHM is still going to be far and away the best healer in the game.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional at best.

[Crimson_Slasher]

Dont get me wrong, i dont exactly wanna be looked to as a healer on rdm and sch all the time, would i mind having a bit more cure potency gear or another spell to utilize to heal? sure, ive often considered /blu to see if i get some other worth-while healing spell, but i tell ya, i am THRILLED when someone asks me to come something other than whm, blm, or nin to ANYTHING these days, my smn is all but retired, my rdm is shelfed, my drk is only pulled out occasionally, and my rng if theres no thf and th is needed, and even my new sch is only occasionally pulled out to cap azure in party settings. Do i -want- cure V? Tough call, do i want more healing power? you better believe it, but my stance still stands that rdm/sch getting cure V (while uncreative, again can only make up so many things before you're grasping at straws) wouldnt break whm, it just would mean some players wouldnt HAVE to level whm to offer decent/sufficient healing in certain environments.

[cidbahamut]

Really this argument isn't so much about whether or not RDM and SCH should get Cure V so much as it's an argument on whether or not they should be adequate 'Primary' Healers.

I think it goes a bit beyond that even. If you boil it down to its base components the argument is over whether or not there should be any job other than White Mage that is capable of filling the role of healer.

Currently there is not, and I hear a lot of people saying they think that's perfectly fine, or that we should just duct tape a bunch of support jobs together and pretend they'll work the same as a White Mage. That strikes me as bad game design.

[Lilia]

So what I am seeing from the last few posts, outside of name calling and only about 2 with proof, is that RDM and SCH believe the only way they can support a party is via a higher tier cure? Seems as we get into higher levels not just SE, but the playerbase is forgetting how many different ways a job can be played and what they bring to the table.

If you really want Cure V level WHM, otherwise wait till 99 cap as we get Cure VII and you can have Cure V to support in the only way SCH and RDM seem to understand. Seems to me you guys wanna play as healers, not the respective jobs you are....support, even in category of heals, does not mean you get the same tools you just use the ones you are given differently.

you rly not know what the rdms want to say; is it fair that melee dd have cure4 with dnc sub, is it fair that blu have cure5? and rly why the whm have so much panic for a rdm with cure5?

And for the mom for what you need a rdm now.... much other jobs better.
cure5 can help rdm a bit better as secondhealer.

[Ahrana]

you rly not know what the rdms want to say; is it fair that melee dd have cure4 with dnc sub, is it fair that blu have cure5? and rly why the whm have so much panic for a rdm with cure5?

And for the mom for what you need a rdm now.... much other jobs better.
cure5 can help rdm a bit better as secondhealer.

I quoted that, but I'm not sure what it says. I am sure that this person just wants to justify coming to a party as a red mage instead of a white mage.

[Phafi]

make is so whms can't cast refresh and convert, give me an enfeeble worth casting and I won't ask for cure V.

WE HAVE ADDLE... oh wait

[Phafi]

when all in the party in red numbers, can a rdm cure5 save all?

Now i can save maybe 1-2 with cure 4 before next aoe kill the rest.
And try one time spam cure4... 100% selfkill.
rdm cure5 can never replace a whm with curaga.

when i read whm posts, i think the whm dont know what the have become after 75!

How did your whole party get into red?

[Lilia]

draw in , good aoe, or bad whms or whm is dead, away....