dev1024 - healing magic

[Feliciaa]

That is not an answer to my question but good try.

[Bubeeky]

it's not dumb it's how it was before, that's what scares us whms...rdms and schs had decent cures at 75 and we whms went the way of the buffalo because we couldn't keep up with mp....we now have a good hold on the cure situation, and we like it like that. Plus I remember countless rdms and schs coming to me pissed because all they got asked to do in pt's is main heal even though there were decent whms looking for pt's....instead of pushing for a copy/paste of whm's stuff, try pushing for more unique stuff for sch and rdm....like a healing helix or a reactive cure, where every time the target gets hit, the buff heals him for...I dunno...100 hp?

Besides, since when is curing all that sch and rdm have wanted to be good at anyway?

[Ahrana]

it's not dumb it's how it was before, that's what scares us whms...rdms and schs had decent cures at 75 and we whms went the way of the buffalo because we couldn't keep up with mp....we now have a good hold on the cure situation, and we like it like that. Plus I remember countless rdms and schs coming to me pissed because all they got asked to do in pt's is main heal even though there were decent whms looking for pt's...

You're making stuff up Bubeeky.

1. White mages have always been wanted end game because cure IV generates too much hate, especially in long fights.
2. Scholars have never been wanted over white mages because they lack haste. I've never heard of scholars being invited to bird camps back at 75 over white mages, which is why they always ended up at the pudding camps with the black mages.
3. There's only one explaination that makes sense why they decided to give red mages and scholars raise spells to address the healing gap between them and white mages.

[Soranika]

I had a long post to type up but I kinda scratched it. Outside of abyssea, Cure V isn't even needed. Inside abyssea.... so what if no one is picking RDM over WHM for the healing spot? Last I heard, RDM HATED being asked to main heal or even back up support. Plus, RDM do not have full light magic proc (or black magic for that matter). It's honestly one of those things where I really want to say suck it up and join the club of 'inferior jobs' for many activities that has been going on for years.

[Reaux]

RDM and SCH were never supposed to be as good or better at their respective jobs than the originators. While giving Cure V to both of those classes and it ending WHM is debatable, in all it isn't necessary and would put them very close to WHM in a Curing only capacity. RDM was designed for Enfeebles/Enchancing and melee support as a main stay. The heals and nukes were there to assist in cases where the party needed a little extra healing and the nukes for when melee might not be the best option. But the player base screams at the idea of a RDM doing anything outside of refresh/haste/cure.

SCH was more the magey of the hybrids, it was designed to support all the mage classes, but still hold its own in casting....and it can.

If anything both of those classes should be calling for more unique spells instead of asking for ones in game already. An extra HoT or reactive cure as mention before for RDM sounds amazing and useful: it would give them something that is their own and allow for more support. SCH has tons of options for making its cures and buffs more powerful via stratagems and helix spells. adding and higher tier Cure to it won't make it more unique....just another healer. Don't you want a more unique and dynamic role?

[DebbieGibson]

Apparent the people saying whm played 2nd fiddle to rdm never did anything more than merit.

[TRiPP]

Currently as it is Cure V is a hot topic with Red Mage. The fact still remains that we got shafted on a healing spell. It doesn't matter who or what hates to main heal. (To be honest, I end up main healing in events because our White Mages sucked horrendously) and that's putting it nicely. So having something to fall back on would be nice. However as most of us can see that some people are still living in 2005, again I'm partial to the high Regen based on our enhancing skill so that it means a damn again.

Until then Cure V would suffice then when SE implements this other means to an alternate Cure, Cure V could easily be removed. (I'm sure most of us have WHM leveled to that degree at least, so it's not as if we'd be getting overly screwed if we lost Cure V and gained a decent Regen.)

Still with White Mage getting bumped off it's high horse with another job getting Cure V, it wouldn't happen. (This coming from a RDM Main and as a WHM as well.) Those who are assuming that WHM would lose it's throne as a top healer if another job gained Cure V, are either horribly White Mages themselves and forget to use the tools implemented with their jobs or have horribly White Mages running around with them. If you haven't noticed the buffs that Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Misery grant you/us.* (* For those of us who have RDM and WHM) Whereas Afflatus Solace grants White Mage's Cure (Any of them) a small bit of damage mitigation, if not a decent amount depending on the Cure and how much is recovered. Afflatus Misery grants a bonus to Esuna, whereas it removes more detrimental debuffs off of players. Judging by no mention of these tools or even a second thought that you're taking them for granted. Shame really.

So please, before throwing wild accusations. At least play both jobs and then reassess the situation.
I'm up for the high Regen. However, it's not implemented.

[Dydy]

Me i'll say one thing, i have rdm and whm lvl upped, whm is cool in abyssea because ppl have hp boost, all ppl are taking dmg, need to cure fast, and you have atma for save your mp, but out of abyssea i keep thinking rdm is the best healer, you wont really go out of mp you'll always have Refresh II,, whm wont have it out of abyssea, a lot of ppl are using only cure V or VI, most the of the new whm are doing that, but all good and old player will know rdm is the best healer out of abyssea, good mp, (i'm a lil hume i can up to 1k mp out of abyssea, refresh 9 mp per tick with the good items) so out of abyssea if you have a rdm for healer you are supposed to be able to stay alive longer no ?

[Dydy]

But it's sure a lil cure V would be nice for abyssea :P (^.^) (really ? RAISE TWO ON RDM ? naaaa <_<)

[saevel]

@Tripp you don't want Cure V trust me, it'll cement you permanently as the back line cure / haste b1tch forever. You don't want a return to the days of "pink mage", its the worst thing that could happen to RDM again.