dev1024 - healing magic

[saevel]

Most career RDM's would prefer a big HoT (Heal over Time) vs Cure V. I'd suggestion something in the 50~100+hp/tick (based on enhancing magic) with a duration of 30s. Would generate the same static hate as Cure V and accomplish much the same without resorting to cure bot status. Give it to SCH also.

Also for your WHM's out there, make it so that your cures have a chance to proc an erase / esuna effect (randomly remove one detrimental status ailment). This would be similar to now, how your status ailments have a chance to proc aoe.

That would make everyone happy, keep WHM as the supreme healer while allowing RDM and SCH to contribute more but not steal the role.

[Raksha]

Also for your WHM's out there, make it so that your cures have a chance to proc an erase / esuna effect (randomly remove one detrimental status ailment). This would be similar to now, how your status ailments have a chance to proc aoe.

Oooooh i like this idea!

[Arioche]

I think a temporary HP spell would be good for RDM, like an over-heal. Similar to how shields work in League of Legends, for those that play. Doesn't necessarily have to heal for a large amount, could be similar to Cure IV, but it's a unique effect. That way we wouldn't be outdoing WHM but would still bring something new and useful to the table.

[Feliciaa]

Give SCH and RDM Cure V would just make having a WHM almost pointless like it was pre-abyssea. I think the design team has the right idea with improving RDMs enfeebling/buffing ability and having SCH focus more on its DoTs/magic atks.

[Quetzacoatl]

Most career RDM's would prefer a big HoT (Heal over Time) vs Cure V. I'd suggestion something in the 50~100+hp/tick (based on enhancing magic) with a duration of 30s. Would generate the same static hate as Cure V and accomplish much the same without resorting to cure bot status. Give it to SCH also.

Also for your WHM's out there, make it so that your cures have a chance to proc an erase / esuna effect (randomly remove one detrimental status ailment). This would be similar to now, how your status ailments have a chance to proc aoe.

That would make everyone happy, keep WHM as the supreme healer while allowing RDM and SCH to contribute more but not steal the role.

God, this so much. I am so tired of all the QQing for Cure 5 today, it's not funny.

[SpankWustler]

Give SCH and RDM Cure V would just make having a WHM almost pointless like it was pre-abyssea.

I don't understand where this idea started. Yes, there was a time when White Mage was only particularly useful for certain fights and competent healers were mostly interchangeable.

Some dude at SE noticed this, some changes were made, and henceforth White Mage has had a powerful Stoneskin attached to it's cures and many new tools to battle status ailments. On top of that, there are pieces of the Orison set which give White Mage huge bonuses to cure spells.

White Mage isn't the same job it was in 2005, and that's not even getting into how much harder any NM that matters can hit now.

It wouldn't soften my healing protuberance one bit if Red Mage and Scholar and Paladin and whatever else had access to Cure V, and I really have to wonder what most people do on White Mage since this is such a common statement.

That said, something like Cure 4 and 1/2 with a strong Regen effect would be much more suited to how Scholar and Red Mage work and their lore. I'm sure people who play those jobs would prefer that solution as well. The idea that giving other jobs Cure V would break White Mage somehow is way off, though.

[Raksha]

Give SCH and RDM Cure V would just make having a WHM almost pointless like it was pre-abyssea. I think the design team has the right idea with improving RDMs enfeebling/buffing ability and having SCH focus more on its DoTs/magic atks.

ITT: Only good thing about WHM is cure5.

If WHM sucks so bad, why don't you play SCH or RDM?


.....see what I did there?

[TRiPP]

You know, now that you mention it. Since White Mages are clearly taking Cureskin for granted. (Let's face it. Most were complaining about Cure V breaking White Mage if given to another job.) Then take it away from White Mage and give it to Red Mage and hell even Scholar. Then you can keep your high tier Cures. Cause let's face it. You want to have both but eventually you're going to lose one or the other. So I'd suggest you choose and enjoy both before either is given to another job.

On top of that, claiming Cure V if given to another job would make it less efficient would leave White Mage in the back burner is ridiculous and preposterous in every meaning of those two words. You still have Cureskin, which if you ask me is still better than say a Red Mage with Cure V or Scholar. (Because of the small damage mitigation that you get from it, allowing you to take more hits in the end.) Where as just a simple Cure V or even any other Cure wouldn't offer such a thing. Then again, I suppose it's a White Mage's world and we're all just living in it. Get off your high horse, White Mage could only be replaced by another White Mage. 2005 was a different story, this is 2011. Where even your rings have cure potency only available to White mage. (Okay, not really exaggerating) So to claim that something as simple as a Cure V could make you as useless as Bubbleman is pointless. Try again with another valid argument. Such as if your protectra/shellra/barspells/haste were revoked. Then perhaps you'd have something valid. However as it stands with Cureskin and whatever tier Cure you decide to use it will still grant damage mitigation (depending on the cure mind you, and even if it's a cure one, it still grants some sort of damage mitigation even if it's by a small amount.) Again something that's not accessible to other jobs.

However, the high Regen based on enhancing skill does sound like a rather nice one. However, I fear that if we were to get that. White mages everywhere would QQ and SE would hand it to them on a silver platter. (Speaking of handing things to WHM's.) 'The hell are you doing with our Addle? In fact 'the hell are you doing with Regen family? It's enhancing, not healing, as well as our paralyze, our slow, as well as our other goodies?


Meanwhile in a more logical perspective. ^ This is how I react to people who think Red Mage/Scholar would break them if they were to get Cure V. Throwing out weird accusations as if it were still 2005, if that's the case then tell me why is it that warriors now sub /sam as opposed to /nin. Like they use to? I can't stress this enough. Times have changed, get use to it.

Also, next Abysea White Mage I meet that hastes instead of cures. I'm going to punch in the mouth.
(Done it before, and I'll do it again.)

[Ahrana]

Give SCH and RDM Cure V would just make having a WHM almost pointless like it was pre-abyssea. I think the design team has the right idea with improving RDMs enfeebling/buffing ability and having SCH focus more on its DoTs/magic atks.

The thing that amuses me the most about this quote is that my linkshell almost always needed me to come white mage to events pre-abyssea, unless they were in dire need of sleepga II. As far as I can remember white mages have always been needed in end game fights, with the occasional exception of low man HNM's that a high evasion tank and some major enfeebling could handle. Even in those situations white mages were still wanted because it gave the evasion tank some breathing room on hate.

The only thing white mages weren't used for was meriting, and that only lasted until /sch hit the scene.

[Daniel]

Give SCH and RDM Cure V would just make having a WHM almost pointless like it was pre-abyssea. I think the design team has the right idea with improving RDMs enfeebling/buffing ability and having SCH focus more on its DoTs/magic atks.

They didn't improve our enfeebling/buffing ability we got 0 enfeebles, whm gained one of our enfeebles and we got 1 useless buff. It won't be active with accession and it will be self target only... RDM basically got 15 minutes of fun and then back to the black list.

I can tell you right now that my rdm will never cure as effectivly as my whm I have 50% potency with cureskin body among other things. Alone that is >>> than a 40% potency with no cureskin that my rdm will get. Average DD is easily running upwards of 1600 hp these days and cure IV just does not cut it, even for back line support... period.