Merton Vs Odin: What the hell SE?

[Malamasala]

And if that makes you mad, you probably need therapy.

Actually, what always get me mad is people that use "is like comparing apples to oranges."

The basic problem of the expression is that if you can't compare apples and oranges, while both are fruit. Then you can't compare green apples and red apples, while both are apples. Because the rule is that they can not be different types (type fruit or type apple). You are however allowed to compare a green apple to a green apple. Or in the case of FFXI, you can compare WAR to WAR, or SCH to SCH. Don't even think of mixing jobs.

So in the future, it is much easier to just say "Shut up" than to tell people they aren't allowed to compare things because you say so.

[Ank]

With the advent of further two hour adjustments, I think its time that SE relooked at SMN's special two hour summon Odin. Even though his special effect is a death spell that will one shot a monster regardless of its hp, his accuracy -especially in regards towards multiple monsters- is incredibly bad. In comparison to the aoe damage that other summons can output with the same two hour it seems very lackluster, and could use a huge boost or some kind of consideration.


Or we can be "that guy" that "complains" about "merton".

[Cymmina]

Buy the SCH in the video was decked out. She was in Abyssea so might have had atmas and the mobs were not high level. We know nothing about the accuracy, mp cost, recast time or dot effect.

That SCH was not appropriately geared for dealing damage. Full Empyrean armor (with no idea on if it is NQ/+1/+2) and the Empyrean staff. Only the body and feet are appropriate full time nuking pieces. The head (Ebullience not used in video), legs, and weapon may have been nothing and it would have had the same effect.

I can 1shot many trash mobs in Abyssea as a SCH, maybe that needs to be "adjusted" too.

[Soundwave]

I love hypocrites.

I feel bad for the ones who do complain about Merton, I'm happy that SE has answered Scholars calls though feedback etc. I'm glad SE is listening well to the community.

[SpankWustler]

Bob's house is on fire. His neighbor Bill's house is also on fire, although to a lesser extent.

Instead of calling the fire department, Bob enters a state of berserk rage. He begins siphoning the gasoline from his own car and tossing it on Bill's house. He runs back into his burning abode just to grab a beach towel and fan the flames on Bill's house. Instead of shouting for help, he screams ancient pagan prayers to the forgotten God of Fire to further incinerate Bill's house.

At no point does it occur to Bob that leaving Bill's house well enough alone and calling the fire department would be a smart move. Bob is pretty stupid.

[Korpg]

So let me get this straight. You are claiming that Death is a NORMAL enfeeble, and that if you pull 100 monsters, 50 will die? Because I, who am a very dumb Summoner who shouldn't post, were under the impression SE coded the attack to have less success the more targets were in range.

Where did you get that 100/50 part? It is an enfeeble (look at the log, the mob is hit with the effect of KO). Yes, what you said about the more mobs = lower % of it hitting is right, but that is common knowledge since SE said so themselves that Odin's ability would do that. Pointing it out and complaining that SCH has a spell that does damage with a high DoT effect is basically hurting SMN is the stupid part of your argument. But you are right, you shouldn't be posting.

Bringing me back to my point. SCH is getting some kind of unrestricted AOE death ball move, and SMN has a restricted target number attack.

Naturally I'm not saying SCH can't get this, it is rather that the SMN restriction should be removed if they do.

Why aren't you complaining that BLMs have the ability to one-shot any/all non-NM mobs also? It is called, you know, casting a spell, but you are basically asking that both SCH and BLM shouldn't have this ability to cast damaging spells because Odin can't kill all mobs with his 2hr.

And what I said is not an assumption, you just said that in the above quote. You like to assume things and accuse me of assuming things too which you have just been proven wrong.

How about you stop posting until you find something positive to post about?

[Soundwave]

Bob's house is on fire. His neighbor Bill's house is also on fire, although to a lesser extent.

Instead of calling the fire department, Bob enters a state of berserk rage. He begins siphoning the gasoline from his own car and tossing it on Bill's house. He runs back into his burning abode just to grab a beach towel and fan the flames on Bill's house. Instead of shouting for help, he screams ancient pagan prayers to the forgotten God of Fire to further incinerate Bill's house.

At no point does it occur to Bob that leaving Bill's house well enough alone and calling the fire department would be a smart move. Bob is pretty stupid.

This made me rofl, thank you!

[Leonlionheart]

Bob's house is on fire. His neighbor Bill's house is also on fire, although to a lesser extent.

Instead of calling the fire department, Bob enters a state of berserk rage. He begins siphoning the gasoline from his own car and tossing it on Bill's house. He runs back into his burning abode just to grab a beach towel and fan the flames on Bill's house. Instead of shouting for help, he screams ancient pagan prayers to the forgotten God of Fire to further incinerate Bill's house.

At no point does it occur to Bob that leaving Bill's house well enough alone and calling the fire department would be a smart move. Bob is pretty stupid.

Brilliance, though I doubt the raging SMNs will understand.

[Kari]

Actually, what always get me mad is people that use "is like comparing apples to oranges."

The basic problem of the expression is that if you can't compare apples and oranges, while both are fruit. Then you can't compare green apples and red apples, while both are apples. Because the rule is that they can not be different types (type fruit or type apple). You are however allowed to compare a green apple to a green apple. Or in the case of FFXI, you can compare WAR to WAR, or SCH to SCH. Don't even think of mixing jobs.

So in the future, it is much easier to just say "Shut up" than to tell people they aren't allowed to compare things because you say so.

Let's just pick one job, make it extremely OP, and then nerf every other job to the ground.
And nobody is allowed to complain about how their job can't do as well as extremely OP job.

[Septimus]

OK, how about it is like comparing ambulances to plate tectonics? One is used to take people to the hospital, the other is responsible for the formation of contents and oceans. People are allowed to make comparisons, but they should try to at least make objective comparisons. When one job that is in desperate need of an update gets something, it is not taking away from another job that is in pretty good shape; especially when the thing given to the job is only cosmetically similar to the thing from the other job.

I fear that a lot of people who like to "compare things" on this forum were hell on wheels at Christmas time, they went though the Sears catalog after all of the gifts were opened with a spreadsheet and a calculator to make sure that not a single penny extra was spent on their siblings. And heaven help their parents if their gifts were bought on sale!

Voidwatch..that thing mostly no one does beyond Japanese? Because it's basically a glorified R.N.G with a slight challenge? Sorry but Abyssea is here to stay, especially if you want to level beyond 90 lol.

Not to mention the stagger system introduced with Abyssea seems to be appearing everywhere....so...

I mean that thing that people are going to be upset that they ignored if/when their Empyrean upgrade items come from it after the next update. What amuses me about this forum is that you have so many people who moan that Abyssea is "easy-mode", when something that is extremely challenging like Voidwatch comes along they completely ignore it. Yes, the rewards are garbage, but it exactly what people on these forums say that they want: all jobs are needed, you cannot low man it, and it is very, very hard. People here say that they want an old-school challenge, well here it is complete with the terrible rewards that those of us who have done HNMs for years are used to.