Merton Vs Odin: What the hell SE?

[Dallas]

But for the bosses in Voidwatch, it is highly impractical for a SMN to melee.

The features of Hver and Magian perp staves are identical in potency when you don't use the features. Those magian staves offer -perp and -bp timer, 2 things which have been capped by other gear ever since L75. Timer gear is macro-able with no other options. -perp gear can't be replaced since a lot of it is now refresh gear, superior to -perp.

Hvergelmir at least has a regain earring for the worst situations. I'll repeat it here, since no one ever looks for it: 1 TP = 3.6 MP (1800 MP base), only with Myrkr. This is replenishing mp, superior to -perp.

Props to you for getting the staves. I don't know exactly what you will win for completing this task, but I do sincerely hope you will win that mythical rainbow staff. I just leave Hvergelmir on, and if I go somewhere "inconvenient," which is infrequent, I manually put on Soulscourge. Better damage, timer is still 45 seconds, and avatars are still free. Inventory +6-7.

[Economizer]

Which reminds me, how does Odin perform on VoidWatch monsters? Well, assuming they aren't already whittled down to 50% by the time everything has been procced... I guess that's not an ideal situation for the big guy, now that I think about it. So I guess I'd just say that I'm curious if they're immune/resistant or not.

Ignoring this entire thread, I really hope for the day where SE "forgets" to make a mob immune to Odin's death move, just so you can have a long drawn out fight with a massive mob, and a Summoner in your party uses his two hour and accidentally hits Odin instead of Alexander. The look on everyone's face will be priceless, the tale legendary, and the Summoner a hero, even if SE went and patched it later.

Too bad it is probably just "NM tag = immune to XYZ."

[Leonlionheart]

The features of Hver and Magian perp staves are identical in potency when you don't use the features. Those magian staves offer -perp and -bp timer, 2 things which have been capped by other gear ever since L75. Timer gear is macro-able with no other options. -perp gear can't be replaced since a lot of it is now refresh gear, superior to -perp.

Hvergelmir at least has a regain earring for the worst situations. I'll repeat it here, since no one ever looks for it: 1 TP = 3.6 MP (1800 MP base), only with Myrkr. This is replenishing mp, superior to -perp.

Props to you for getting the staves. I don't know exactly what you will win for completing this task, but I do sincerely hope you will win that mythical rainbow staff. I just leave Hvergelmir on, and if I go somewhere "inconvenient," which is infrequent, I manually put on Soulscourge. Better damage, timer is still 45 seconds, and avatars are still free. Inventory +6-7.

But for the bosses in Voidwatch, it is highly impractical for a SMN to melee.

the first is quoted for lolz, the second for truth

[Dallas]

So, what about -perp staves turns the resident Ukon WAR on? It doesn't matter what the situation is, you can't undo the L80 perp nerf that rendered the staves useless.

You better start campaigning against the people calling for a cait sith regain favor. That's a sure-fire way to make Hver useful even in BCNMs.

[Korpg]

That's a sure-fire way to make Hver useful even in BCNMs.

What the heck? Where did that come from? Hver isn't useful period, including BCNMs.

What are you going to do, melee Behemoth at 10% or less? I would LOVE to see you try.

[Leonlionheart]

So, what about -perp staves turns the resident Ukon WAR on? It doesn't matter what the situation is, you can't undo the L80 perp nerf that rendered the staves useless.

You better start campaigning against the people calling for a cait sith regain favor. That's a sure-fire way to make Hver useful even in BCNMs.

Well I honestly doubt they would give Cait Sith's favor, assuming regain, more than 4/tick. However that statement also assumes that Cait Sith itself is worth keeping out. Meaning it out DD's Garuda or out supports... other avatars...

At 1/tick regain, you're waiting 5 minutes for 100 TP. That's probably what Cait Sith will start out as. You'd have to keep him out for a while, making it pretty useless in BCNMs/Voidwatch.

[Razushu]

Well I honestly doubt they would give Cait Sith's favor, assuming regain, more than 4/tick. However that statement also assumes that Cait Sith itself is worth keeping out. Meaning it out DD's Garuda or out supports... other avatars...

At 1/tick regain, you're waiting 5 minutes for 100 TP. That's probably what Cait Sith will start out as. You'd have to keep him out for a while, making it pretty useless in BCNMs/Voidwatch.

Dallas doesn't "see" anything unless it directly(and positively) effects SMN melee, this now appears to include picking what will most likely be an inferior Physical DD to Garuda, and likely inferior Magical DD to anything with 5/5 in a merit pact.

inb4 with the moonshade earring he gets 1TP per tick back already so even standing around he would get 2TP per tick, meaning a Myrkr every 2.5 minutes, because even though every SMn has unlimited MP now it's important that he has more unlimited MP than everyone else's unlimited MP.

[Korpg]

inb4 with the moonshade earring he gets 1TP per tick back already so even standing around he would get 2TP per tick, meaning a Myrkr every 2.5 minutes, because even though every SMn has unlimited MP now it's important that he has more unlimited MP than everyone else's unlimited MP.

Even with Moonshade Earring, he still needs to whack on the mob to get TP in order to keep avatars out. 1 TP per tick or 2 TP per tick will not keep avatars out with the gear he uses, and all it will do is take his 13 hit down to a 12 hit. Which is not a big improvement to be honest.

[Razushu]

Even with Moonshade Earring, he still needs to whack on the mob to get TP in order to keep avatars out. 1 TP per tick or 2 TP per tick will not keep avatars out with the gear he uses, and all it will do is take his 13 hit down to a 12 hit. Which is not a big improvement to be honest.

lol I know that, but he doesn't. I was just preempting his counter point. I reckon he'll argue that you don't need to fight the mob, just be engaed but out of AoE range, and Hvergelmir will still be better than a -perp stave, or something equally out there.

[Dallas]

LOL, you don't need to whack at the mob...

Also, no one has ever seen people build TP before a fight? Stupid SMN. Build TP, remove favor, done.

Finally, I love the continued expectations that SMN will have unlimited mp, and they are defending a -perp staff like that's the secret. Very stupid SMN. Imagine if some idiot SAM defended Conserve TP for his 5-hit build. You should be shamed back into hiding.