Merton Vs Odin: What the hell SE?

[Ank]

Again I don't think "most" people are q.q'ing.....they are just saying SE can you please look at Odin?

Then do so without griping about others.

[Soundwave]

Then do so without griping about others.

Griping about others, very good.

[Sasaraixx]

I agree that Odin needs some work but that has nothing to do with SCH. Shiva has been the clearly superior choice for aoe killing in Abyssea for a long time anyway. BLU, BLM and WAR are better as well inside of Abyssea. Outside of Abyssea, you'd probably better of using Alexander in most cases.

I don't think Merton and Odin are really all that similar. We also know absolutely nothing about that spell. It looks powerful? Buy the SCH in the video was decked out. She was in Abyssea so might have had atmas and the mobs were not high level. We know nothing about the accuracy, mp cost, recast time or dot effect.

I was and am still more curious about Brave because I think SCH will get more use out of it. I'm very wary that the would give us a truly powerful and useful nuke.

Great animation though!!

[Cymmina]

Buy the SCH in the video was decked out. She was in Abyssea so might have had atmas and the mobs were not high level. We know nothing about the accuracy, mp cost, recast time or dot effect.

That SCH was not appropriately geared for dealing damage. Full Empyrean armor (with no idea on if it is NQ/+1/+2) and the Empyrean staff. Only the body and feet are appropriate full time nuking pieces. The head (Ebullience not used in video), legs, and weapon may have been nothing and it would have had the same effect.

I can 1shot many trash mobs in Abyssea as a SCH, maybe that needs to be "adjusted" too.

[Malamasala]

And if that makes you mad, you probably need therapy.

Actually, what always get me mad is people that use "is like comparing apples to oranges."

The basic problem of the expression is that if you can't compare apples and oranges, while both are fruit. Then you can't compare green apples and red apples, while both are apples. Because the rule is that they can not be different types (type fruit or type apple). You are however allowed to compare a green apple to a green apple. Or in the case of FFXI, you can compare WAR to WAR, or SCH to SCH. Don't even think of mixing jobs.

So in the future, it is much easier to just say "Shut up" than to tell people they aren't allowed to compare things because you say so.

[Ank]

With the advent of further two hour adjustments, I think its time that SE relooked at SMN's special two hour summon Odin. Even though his special effect is a death spell that will one shot a monster regardless of its hp, his accuracy -especially in regards towards multiple monsters- is incredibly bad. In comparison to the aoe damage that other summons can output with the same two hour it seems very lackluster, and could use a huge boost or some kind of consideration.


Or we can be "that guy" that "complains" about "merton".

[Kari]

Actually, what always get me mad is people that use "is like comparing apples to oranges."

The basic problem of the expression is that if you can't compare apples and oranges, while both are fruit. Then you can't compare green apples and red apples, while both are apples. Because the rule is that they can not be different types (type fruit or type apple). You are however allowed to compare a green apple to a green apple. Or in the case of FFXI, you can compare WAR to WAR, or SCH to SCH. Don't even think of mixing jobs.

So in the future, it is much easier to just say "Shut up" than to tell people they aren't allowed to compare things because you say so.

Let's just pick one job, make it extremely OP, and then nerf every other job to the ground.
And nobody is allowed to complain about how their job can't do as well as extremely OP job.

[Septimus]

OK, how about it is like comparing ambulances to plate tectonics? One is used to take people to the hospital, the other is responsible for the formation of contents and oceans. People are allowed to make comparisons, but they should try to at least make objective comparisons. When one job that is in desperate need of an update gets something, it is not taking away from another job that is in pretty good shape; especially when the thing given to the job is only cosmetically similar to the thing from the other job.

I fear that a lot of people who like to "compare things" on this forum were hell on wheels at Christmas time, they went though the Sears catalog after all of the gifts were opened with a spreadsheet and a calculator to make sure that not a single penny extra was spent on their siblings. And heaven help their parents if their gifts were bought on sale!

Voidwatch..that thing mostly no one does beyond Japanese? Because it's basically a glorified R.N.G with a slight challenge? Sorry but Abyssea is here to stay, especially if you want to level beyond 90 lol.

Not to mention the stagger system introduced with Abyssea seems to be appearing everywhere....so...

I mean that thing that people are going to be upset that they ignored if/when their Empyrean upgrade items come from it after the next update. What amuses me about this forum is that you have so many people who moan that Abyssea is "easy-mode", when something that is extremely challenging like Voidwatch comes along they completely ignore it. Yes, the rewards are garbage, but it exactly what people on these forums say that they want: all jobs are needed, you cannot low man it, and it is very, very hard. People here say that they want an old-school challenge, well here it is complete with the terrible rewards that those of us who have done HNMs for years are used to.

[SpankWustler]

Septimus, I would like to marry that post and make babies with it. Except, I think the physical process of me making babies with it would really gross you out. So I guess I won't!

Also, angry hoard of angry Summoners, you can console yourselves with the knowledge that Brave is very likely to be awful if Adloqium is any indication of how powerful some dude at SE thinks a Regain spell is.

[Leonlionheart]

I mean that thing that people are going to be upset that they ignored if/when their Empyrean upgrade items come from it after the next update. What amuses me about this forum is that you have so many people who moan that Abyssea is "easy-mode", when something that is extremely challenging like Voidwatch comes along they completely ignore it. Yes, the rewards are garbage, but it exactly what people on these forums say that they want: all jobs are needed, you cannot low man it, and it is very, very hard. People here say that they want an old-school challenge, well here it is complete with the terrible rewards that those of us who have done HNMs for years are used to.

Quoted for truth.