Merton Vs Odin: What the hell SE?

[Karbuncle]

Just crying over another job that gets something and saying it takes away from a job is ridiculous and why MMORPGs die a slow painful death job balance wise.

I disagree. Giving no job anything unique and, as such, dishing out anything considered "unique traits" to every job is what would kill a game. If there's no unique aspects to any job, there's no reason to level any job but the one that does it the best. You'll lose more people that way.

One person in a thousand might level a job anyway for fun, but even for them (you) the fun would eventually wear off.

I can't say i believe you when you say you'd be perfectly content with your favorite job becoming absolutely worthless because it slowly lost all of its unique traits, But I have no way to prove it otherwise. So i must accept it. However i will remain skeptical.

[Elexia]

I disagree. Giving no job anything unique and, as such, dishing out anything considered "unique traits" to every job is what would kill a game. If there's no unique aspects to any job, there's no reason to level any job but the one that does it the best. You'll lose more people that way.

One person in a thousand might level a job anyway for fun, but even for them (you) the fun would eventually wear off.

I can't say i believe you when you say you'd be perfectly content with your favorite job becoming absolutely worthless because it slowly lost all of its unique traits, But I have no way to prove it otherwise. So i must accept it. However i will remain skeptical.

My favorite job is Corsair which already lost it's unique ability however it's still best used by Corsairs. Didn't summoners already lose their unique trait and abilities? I'm pretty sure since 2002 I could sub summoner and cast avatars, that's unique to the job.

What kills games is when one job gets something and someone else complains they want the same or better, they then get its and another job complains they want the same or even better then they suddenly start a tug-o-war of balance and why XI was one of the few MMOs that actually had decent job balance, because games like WoW their company always caved into the pressure and some jobs go from useful to near worthless every other patch because of players crying over spilled milk.

[Dallas]

I've yet to see a SMN use Odin lately because the novelty wore off by now. Get over it. "Oh noes a job got something good that's similar to my toy boo hoo hooo!" is the cancer that kills MMORPGs. Quit it.

Novelty is not gone, but they might as well have given this Merlot spell to Santa. SCH don't exist either.

[Korpg]

Dallas....why?

Why do you have to come to a thread and crap it up with your personal musing that nobody wants to hear, and is also completely false? I know you are being sarcastic, but damn man, you don't even need to be here. The topic is not melee SMN, so why do you feel like you have to chime in on this?

[Demonicpagan]

I must have missed this somewhere, but where was it said that this would be a 2HR ability?

[Elexia]

I must have missed this somewhere, but where was it said that this would be a 2HR ability?

In the manifesto, a spell/ability only usable under the effect of Tabula Rasa.

[Tannlore]

In the manifesto, a spell/ability only usable under the effect of Tabula Rasa.

It was said in the manifesto, but did we see the scholar use Tabula Rasa during the video? I'm okay with it either way, my SCH will get the spell and cast it happily regardless. However, unless you've seen come actual confirmation that this is the spell that activates through use of 2hr don't jump too far into it. Though this would be the spell to do that with.

[Elexia]

It was said in the manifesto, but did we see the scholar use Tabula Rasa during the video? I'm okay with it either way, my SCH will get the spell and cast it happily regardless. However, unless you've seen come actual confirmation that this is the spell that activates through use of 2hr don't jump too far into it. Though this would be the spell to do that with.

Yep it was used in the video.

[Tannlore]

Yep it was used in the video.

Ah so! I missed that. Still cool and not hard to get refreshed in Abyssea at least. ISL.... go!

[Coldbrand]

don't you worry guys, once more people get hvergelmir they'll show us how sick SMN melee DPS is and they won't even need 2 hours