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    Player Tarage's Avatar
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    SMN Lv 99

    Merton Vs Odin: What the hell SE?

    So, if you haven't seen the video, SCH is getting a new 2-hour only spell called Merton. Might be called Meltdown in english, I don't know. See it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvZN3rOSEHk

    Point is, there are some striking similarities to what this spell does and what the Summoner 2-hour Odin does. Both are able to hit a large amount of enemies and both are capable of doing incredibly large amounts of damage. That's where the similarities end. While this spell seems to be able to take out 10 mobs out of 11. That's some pretty amazing accuracy. Odin? Odin's lucky if we can hit 5.

    It's fine and all to give SCH some more tools. SCH needs something to set it apart from the other mage jobs. But if you are going to give SCH something that is almost exactly the same as Odin, why not allow us SMN to have the same accuracy? I highly doubt the SCH has to use all of their MP to do that attack. SMN does, and they get roughly half the effect.

    Odin is a joke. Please throw us a bone here. At least be fair about it. And please don't give me flack that "The SCH spell doesn't kill mobs, it only damages them, while Odin can flat out kill mobs." If it misses more than it bloody hits, then it's not even worth it. An all or nothing attack that more often than not does nothing is worthless. At least make the % to hit chance based on SMN skill or something. Come on.
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    Player Michae's Avatar
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    Oh come on, smn has gotten tons of good stuff and is even given new avatars with this coming update, what does sch have? Nothing. Its mainly used as a sub only and those who have it at 90 have a hard time getting a pt cause ppl lolsch the job all the time. We cant nuke as good as a blm and we are stuck with just cure IV, Sch finally gets 1 thing that makes it a worthwhile job and u wanna complain? Get over it.
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    Sometimes you just have to laugh at yourself, you would cry your eyes out if you didn't.

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    Player Ank's Avatar
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    Doesn't the sch in the video use elemental seal?
    This is nothing more than an exhibition video, there's no way to determine mp cost, recast, or acc.


    Not that I'm against smn buffs.
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    Last edited by Ank; 08-18-2011 at 05:04 PM.

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    Player Duelle's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michae View Post
    Sch finally gets 1 thing that makes it a worthwhile job and u wanna complain? Get over it.
    First, one thing making the job worthwhile is bad in the long run. Secondly, the OP does have a point. SMN getting a high damage spell with a high miss chance that requires Astral Flow, then SCH getting something similar that doesn't seem to have the stupidly high miss chance but can be AoE'd through strategem use. I'd venture to say there is a chance SMN got short-changed here. Business as usual, either way. =/
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line.

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    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    And to clarify, it's not natively AoE, it's just a dark magic spell, which can be made AoE by using Manifestation. It's a weird thing to complain about, besides, SMN still have Alexander.
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    Player Tannlore's Avatar
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    SMN Lv 99
    I'm happy for this update as a 90 SCH but shocked.... After our Modus Veritas got hit when groups of sch could do this -very- -same- -thing- on single targets. They give it back to us, in the form of a castable spell.... and it can be AoEd? Ha!! Awesome <3 this SE sooooo much! Can't wait to start casting this on my SCH all over the place. Who need Meteor? (... okay I do)

    However, Tarage has a point too and I do want to point out he's not saying to take it away from SCH. He's asking for a look over on Odin's 2hr. A valid concern considering the difference between the two. One is a castable spell (be it we don't know the cost/re-cast time) vs. an all or nothing attack that eats all available mp, is horribly inaccurate (good luck hitting more than 4 mobs), and can't be used again for 2hrs (build those pearl/azure lights!).

    Also, do I eyes deceive me... but after that Merton devastated those mandies... The one still alive kept beating on the galka and not the SCH. Maybe the spell has a miss chance like Odin after all (Be it a much, muuuuch lower miss rate). Or just generates almost no hate... or the mandy flat out resisted Darn them for not showing logs!
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    Player Razushu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michae View Post
    Oh come on, smn has gotten tons of good stuff and is even given new avatars with this coming update, what does sch have? Nothing. Its mainly used as a sub only and those who have it at 90 have a hard time getting a pt cause ppl lolsch the job all the time. We cant nuke as good as a blm and we are stuck with just cure IV, Sch finally gets 1 thing that makes it a worthwhile job and u wanna complain? Get over it.
    Who's saying lolSCH? I've yet to encounter that once, SCH works great from what I've seen. Of course you can't nuke as good as a BLM you heal much better than they do, and no one but WHM gets > Cure IV. I've no problem with SCH getting a 2hr, that works very similar to our own, but I do take issue with the fact it will likely a) Be much more effective b) cost less c) usable more than once over the course of one 2hr.
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    Summoner [suhm-uhn-er]

    1. Mystics who conjure avatars to fight by their sides, then sit back and enjoy the show while paying close attention to their MP as their minions deliver devastating blows to adversaries and provide aid to allies.
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    Player Michae's Avatar
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    I still say that sch has gotten the short end of the stick since day1. Dont complain cause it gets 1 thing thats even somewhat comparable to a diff job and might even make it (gasp) sought after. We must also not forget sublimation. Isnt that too much like rdm refresh? Is it not fair to the rdm that sch has 1 thing simular to the thing thats almost exclusively rdm? Oh wait blu has it now too, theres another thing to add to ur complaint.

    If you want to complain that this ability is too smnish that then make urself comfortable cause se is blurring the lines of the jobs big time lately and you have alot of letters to write. (thank god you already have on a diaper, or at least I assume you do)
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    Sometimes you just have to laugh at yourself, you would cry your eyes out if you didn't.

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    Player Yukichibi's Avatar
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    In the video, the SCH use manifestation to make it AOE, thus paying 2x the MP cost of the spell.
    Odin is just a toy, Perfect Defense is the a real 2 hours, making 6 people invincible to all damage, up to 90 seconds.
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    Player Ank's Avatar
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    Hey who knows, maybe brave will suck.

    Then sch and smn will be like counterparts.

    Yeah.
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