Too much to ask?

[Runespider]

Does it make me a bad person to steal the NM when they wipe and then kill it in 15~45 seconds?

Only if you think killing it fast is any indication of skill, not hard to destroy an NM with easy to get gear and atmas. Ukon war is broken really and easy as pish to get and gear, I have 90 Ukon and can mash down NMs fast with it but I'm under no illusion that I'm an awesome player for doing so.

A lot of other people don't have these things but they are still laughably easy to get, on the positive side for OP we are getting 95 soon and that will make people soloing NMs able to kill them a lot faster.

[Leonlionheart]

Only if you think killing it fast is any indication of skill, not hard to destroy an NM with easy to get gear and atmas. Ukon war is broken really and easy as pish to get and gear, I have 90 Ukon and can mash down NMs fast with it but I'm under no illusion that I'm an awesome player for doing so.

A lot of other people don't have these things but they are still laughably easy to get, on the positive side for OP we are getting 95 soon and that will make people soloing NMs able to kill them a lot faster.

buzzzz killlll... Take your lvl 4 mnk, and your lies about thinking you have a 90 ukon and shuv it.

20 bucks says i'm better than you at zerging.

Oh, may I ask what is an indication of skill? Probably using PLD in abyssea.

Edit: Not that I'm saying zerging is an indication of skill, as any joe can do it, but rather trying to say you have a shitty attitude and are raining on my parade. I wouldn't say Ukon90 was laughably easy, as I did it before you could get KI in chests and when several other large LS's were doing it. I think though when I did it, the actual difficulty was on par with any relic. Just didn't waste 3 years of my life, or have to buy gil. Time spent =/= difficulty.

[Economizer]

I only extend the respect if I don't have an issue with the other group.

Oh, it is very often a two way street. People who don't give your group the most basic nod of respect as a fellow player will get screwed eventually. Most of the time, especially if your dealing with force pop NMs, people are very kind however. Well, at least on my server. The jerk players just tend to stick out, and repeat their methods over and over.

[Runespider]

Take your lvl 4 mnk, and your lies about thinking you have a 90 ukon and shuv it.

lol do you think 90 ukon is hard or something? really?? XD They are everywhere, you can level war on a mule, get the best atmas, get full+2 and the other basic bits to maximise it and get a Ukon in a month or less..come on. Don't get an epeen on a game in baby mode.

It took me 2 weeks to get 85 Ukon and I was taking my time (hardest part was tunga but if you know which meds/atmas to use he is a joke), 90 was even easier cause of how laughable Cerb is. So yeah I rained on your parade cause you think your something special when you aren't.

If you think 90 emp is something to show off about to the point of lying about it then you are dilusional to how easy that stuff actually is. If I said I had a mythic or something then yeah but an emp? Who would lie about that to show off.. lol

[DebbieGibson]

I think though when I did it, the actual difficulty was on par with any relic. Just didn't waste 3 years of my life, or have to buy gil. Time spent =/= difficulty.

I would rather it be difficult and only take a week than easy and take a month, wouldn't you?


As to the topic, I take anything that's yellow. I only get to play on the weekends and I can't be wasting my time with courtesy. If it isn't breaking the rules I'm going to do it no matter how asinine others may think I am.

[Inafking]

Is it really to much to ask to make the +1 seals easier to get by increasing drop rates, allowing to choose dom ops / quest rewards, or adding an exchange NPC to eleviate congestion? Or how about making the NMs easier so that people aren't woried about wasting their pops on a n00b group? <sarcasim>Nah, let's make the NMs harder so there is more demand and congestion from people getting their ass kicked.</sarcasim>

[Zatias]

Lets not forget the infamous 7-brew Rani that occurred on our server ;P

And yesterday I watched a new-to-abyssea LS nearly completely wipe to Carabosse. They all ran in and meleed it to find red trigger, and Cyclonic Turmoil, Torrent, then Aeroga 3 said hello. All of the DD died, leaving the NIN tank, a WHM and a BLM alive. The other problems were they didn't have a dispeller, the DRK and BLM weren't stunning -ga, and their WHM had to rest most of the fight due to the spam (assuming no atmas).

I ended up raising most of them just because it was so heartless to vulture a mob off a new group who was learning. On the other hand, a duo fucked up and wiped behind me (the WHM had no rr), so we ended up getting a free Carabosse anyway.

This is how I see it: If the group messes up and the mob idles (like the duo did) then the mob can't depop. It's ours. XD If the group still has some life in them, even if it's weakened tanking, we wont take it.

Charm doesn't apply to the idling part ;P It's not a wipe, so I wouldn't steal it.

I also don't expect many other people share this consideration with me. And don't give me "It was the group's fault for not having the right jobs/strategy", many of them changed after seeing what the NM was about. ;P

[SubDragon]

I'd just ask for more instances tbh.
Dealing with slowloers is by far annoying I usually just find a nm and mpk them if they're being high and mighty about not wanting help or playing JPONRY card. Call me an ass but I'm tired of people wasting my time especially the one slowloer that comes in top of the nm I have a group killing for the past hour and doesn't ask to share pops and takes 45 min to kill. That requires a little mpk action in my book. But I've maybe done that 3-4 times on shiva and all the times I did were JPONRY and the guy tossed in front of us the things we wanted b/c we were NA/EU and popped on top of us again another 45 min wait Hell no you can take a mpk time out.

[Zatias]

You shouldn't be broadcasting that you break the ToS in SE's official forums. XD

Though I somewhat agree, I wouldn't do the same.

[Leonlionheart]

lol do you think 90 ukon is hard or something? really?? XD They are everywhere, you can level war on a mule, get the best atmas, get full+2 and the other basic bits to maximise it and get a Ukon in a month or less..come on. Don't get an epeen on a game in baby mode.

It took me 2 weeks to get 85 Ukon and I was taking my time (hardest part was tunga but if you know which meds/atmas to use he is a joke), 90 was even easier cause of how laughable Cerb is. So yeah I rained on your parade cause you think your something special when you aren't.

If you think 90 emp is something to show off about to the point of lying about it then you are dilusional to how easy that stuff actually is. If I said I had a mythic or something then yeah but an emp? Who would lie about that to show off.. lol

Don't ask me, you're the level 4 monk lying about having an emp. They are minimum level 80.

Honestly though, Relics aren't hard. Mythics aren't necessarily hard either. They just take soooo f***ing long. I don't know why so much of the playerbase thinks that time spent somehow means ITS HARD GUYS FFFFF. Difficulty is a word used to describe a feat that is hard to accomplish, deal with, or understand. It might mean dedication, but not difficult.

Either way it took me 3 grueling weeks of camping Adze and Minhocao against some of Asura's biggest LS's to get 85 Ukon, then like 2 days to get it to 90.

Anyway, I don't think that getting an Ukon was a great accomplishment of mine, but I've seen other people use it and it's like they might as well be using Raging Rush with a Byakko's Axe they are so bad.