Treasure Hunter Testing

[Byrth]

I'm tired of people saying THF and /THF makes no difference, because it does, and it's not too small either. Only individual tiers between those levels don't add up as much as the two tiers before. But saying it like that is what makes people waste their time on pointless tests like this.

To be fair, you aren't going to go above TH7 on trash mobs (like in Dynamis), and you'll only get there quasi-regularly if you use Thief's Knife (which slows down your kills and farming). Swapping out TK drops you to TH5/6, which has never been shown to be significantly different from TH2. So yes, people are totally justified saying THF=/THF in a lot of situations.

If you're going to kill Fafnirs for Honey Wines? Sure, DD it down using SA and TA only like the 4x THF + RDM JP party I saw.
If you're going to mass-kill any kind of monster? No, you're wasting your time using anything more than /THF.

[FrankReynolds]

Our Community Team counterpart over in Japan, Mocchi, with the aid of the QA team, decided it was time to do his own kind of Myth Busters, FFXI style to determine if the myth about the drop rate of Treasure Hunter 10 being worse than Treasure Hunter 9 was true or not.

They headed out to Mount Zhayolm to slay 1000 Sulphuric Jagils. 500 with Treasure Hunter 9 and an additional 500 with Treasure Hunter 10.

So was it true…or is this just another myth that got busted?

It is NOT true!

1. Is the Treasure Hunter effect really getting stronger like it should?
When the Treasure Hunter effect increased, we checked not only the message displayed, but the actual values that were originally set and found that it was increasing like it should.

2. TH9 vs. TH10
Since it would take a ridiculous amount of time to test this by manually increasing the Treasure Hunter effect to 9 or 10 via attacks and what not, we prepared special equipment that gave us Treasure Hunter+9 and Treasure Hunter+10 and tested it on MNK/WHM, removing all the other equipment. As a result of our testing, we determined that we got more Pugil Scales with Treasure Hunter 10.


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※This is a screenshot from actual testing.



While we don’t want to be the destroyers of anyone’s dreams, let us know if there are any other FFXI myths you would like busted

So basically, Increasing Treasure Hunter has such poor effects that even the Development team wasn't sure if it worked? great, now fix it.

[Vold]

While we don’t want to be the destroyers of anyone’s dreams, let us know if there are any other FFXI myths you would like busted

I heard a myth about how you guys were considering allowing me exclusive access to your play server and character with TH6-12 gear so I can go on a mass killing spree to provide the community with faster test numbers to relieve you peeps of the troubles of dodging the questions of the maths behind TH. Is this true??

[Arcon]

To be fair, you aren't going to go above TH7 on trash mobs (like in Dynamis), and you'll only get there quasi-regularly if you use Thief's Knife (which slows down your kills and farming). Swapping out TK drops you to TH5/6, which has never been shown to be significantly different from TH2. So yes, people are totally justified saying THF=/THF in a lot of situations.

If you're going to kill Fafnirs for Honey Wines? Sure, DD it down using SA and TA only like the 4x THF + RDM JP party I saw.
If you're going to mass-kill any kind of monster? No, you're wasting your time using anything more than /THF.

I don't disagree, I'm just saying people complaining that there's no difference at all is what makes people who could test useful things waste a lot of time just to tell us that "everything is as it should be".

[Laphine]

hmm i could have sweared the whole issue on this thread was on THII vs THIII traits, as in, why do they work so differently? they really shouldn't.

[Zirael]

The real question was how many Pugil Scales did Mocchi get with TH9 versus TH10. And what would be the comparison between no TH, TH2, and TH3 natively available to a THF versus TH3 from gear or THF sub and gear.

Don't give me that look. I was trained to design research protocol. >_>

Telling us "it's working as intended" tells us nothing interesting. Where's the test data, confidence levels, deviation levels, deviations from expected results?

[Fusionx]

I can't help but think the answer for this:
1. Should have been obvious
2. Could have been checked in the code without this testing

Also for this being a "test" where's the data? Simply saying "more" doesn't really tell us anything. How many more? 1? 10? 100? If you're going to do more of this in the future we need to see more detailed results.


How about asking the developers about the whole moon phase drop rate and direction faced while crafting? Heck, if we actually got a straight answer it would put XI ahead of XIV in terms of this mystery. That'd be a first.

[MarkovChain]

He said it would take a considerable amount of time so TH9>10 is probably less than 1% making it essentially useless.

[Gotterdammerung]

While we don’t want to be the destroyers of anyone’s dreams, let us know if there are any other FFXI myths you would like busted

Um, I love this idea of FFXI mythbusters XD

Can you bust this myth?

"Charisma has hidden effects"

[slakyak]

Also it's nice to know that they still do testing at SE HQ... for a while there I thought all the testing had been handed over to the player-base and FFXIV gained a few extra staff.

/cough