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    Player Byrth's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    I'm tired of people saying THF and /THF makes no difference, because it does, and it's not too small either. Only individual tiers between those levels don't add up as much as the two tiers before. But saying it like that is what makes people waste their time on pointless tests like this.
    To be fair, you aren't going to go above TH7 on trash mobs (like in Dynamis), and you'll only get there quasi-regularly if you use Thief's Knife (which slows down your kills and farming). Swapping out TK drops you to TH5/6, which has never been shown to be significantly different from TH2. So yes, people are totally justified saying THF=/THF in a lot of situations.

    If you're going to kill Fafnirs for Honey Wines? Sure, DD it down using SA and TA only like the 4x THF + RDM JP party I saw.
    If you're going to mass-kill any kind of monster? No, you're wasting your time using anything more than /THF.
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    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrth View Post
    To be fair, you aren't going to go above TH7 on trash mobs (like in Dynamis), and you'll only get there quasi-regularly if you use Thief's Knife (which slows down your kills and farming). Swapping out TK drops you to TH5/6, which has never been shown to be significantly different from TH2. So yes, people are totally justified saying THF=/THF in a lot of situations.

    If you're going to kill Fafnirs for Honey Wines? Sure, DD it down using SA and TA only like the 4x THF + RDM JP party I saw.
    If you're going to mass-kill any kind of monster? No, you're wasting your time using anything more than /THF.
    I don't disagree, I'm just saying people complaining that there's no difference at all is what makes people who could test useful things waste a lot of time just to tell us that "everything is as it should be".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    I don't disagree, I'm just saying people complaining that there's no difference at all is what makes people who could test useful things waste a lot of time just to tell us that "everything is as it should be".
    Why do they have to test it at all? They could just ask the people who wrote the friggin code. If the gain is that bad that it requires a 1500+ kill sample to be sure it even exists, then it is a crap ability and they should be telling the Development team to get their crap together. Treasure hunter is the excuse behind every short coming SE puts on Thief. Everybody knows it does "something". The problem is that the "something " that it does is tantamount to pissing on a forest fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrth View Post
    To be fair, you aren't going to go above TH7 on trash mobs (like in Dynamis), and you'll only get there quasi-regularly if you use Thief's Knife (which slows down your kills and farming). Swapping out TK drops you to TH5/6, which has never been shown to be significantly different from TH2. So yes, people are totally justified saying THF=/THF in a lot of situations.
    Honnestly I wouldn't go as far as claim THF=/THF. TH6 is clearly superior to TH2 when farming common drop items ( typically your favorite abyssea pop item), not that it matters a lot since AH is flooded, but anyway. In dynamis I get almost the same amunt of coins each times ( same camps, same set up), and the two times I forgot to change my mule job to THF we got -20% coins ( 200 instead of 250); not a lot of difference indeed. I have many reason to bring THF over /THF, but camate confirms that THF is nothing more than a TH robot. Give me a reason to come back to event as THF main, I used to loveTHF! Or at least reasons to equip my THF mule with something else than Thief knife, armlets, boots, a boomerang and lv 90, and try to meree.

    The otherday I was killing tahrongi T3 VNM for the epeen evasion legs. Blu proced right away, could have killed it in 5 minutes, but since I lost claim on the 2 previous ones, I decided to proc TH10 on it with my gimp mule ( again, only TK, AA, feet, range lol) through SA and TA. Took literally 30 minute to get TH9 ( I know since protect wor off at TH9 msg). The next group wanting to pop it was so mad, and I understand. I have many examples with NQ behemoths, taking 30mn to proc TH10 when there is another group( usually 5 THF 1 RDM) waiting to pop.

    TH 9 or 10 is something they invented to piss of the player. Th8 is relatively fast to get ( 2- 3 SA and TAs) , but im not really sure if its much better than TH6, and beyond that is rediculously long for such a small improvement.
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    Last edited by Monchat; 10-07-2011 at 03:50 PM.