Treasure Hunter Testing

[Camate]

Our Community Team counterpart over in Japan, Mocchi, with the aid of the QA team, decided it was time to do his own kind of Myth Busters, FFXI style to determine if the myth about the drop rate of Treasure Hunter 10 being worse than Treasure Hunter 9 was true or not.

They headed out to Mount Zhayolm to slay 1000 Sulphuric Jagils. 500 with Treasure Hunter 9 and an additional 500 with Treasure Hunter 10.

So was it true…or is this just another myth that got busted?

It is NOT true!

1. Is the Treasure Hunter effect really getting stronger like it should?
When the Treasure Hunter effect increased, we checked not only the message displayed, but the actual values that were originally set and found that it was increasing like it should.

2. TH9 vs. TH10
Since it would take a ridiculous amount of time to test this by manually increasing the Treasure Hunter effect to 9 or 10 via attacks and what not, we prepared special equipment that gave us Treasure Hunter+9 and Treasure Hunter+10 and tested it on MNK/WHM, removing all the other equipment. As a result of our testing, we determined that we got more Pugil Scales with Treasure Hunter 10.



※This is a screenshot from actual testing.



While we don’t want to be the destroyers of anyone’s dreams, let us know if there are any other FFXI myths you would like busted

[MarkovChain]

2. TH9 vs. TH10
Since it would take a ridiculous amount of time to test this by manually increasing the Treasure Hunter effect to 9 or 10 via attacks and what not

Which basically means you guys are admitting that putting more than TH3 on a mob is useless, which basically means TH+ gear is useless. Give me a reason to bring a thf. (at least you admit TH9+ is useless, so why even implement it, make it cap at TH10).

[Arcon]

Our Community Team counterpart over in Japan, Mocchi, with the aid of the QA team, decided it was time to do his own kind of Myth Busters, FFXI style to determine if the myth about the drop rate of Treasure Hunter 10 being worse than Treasure Hunter 9 was true or not.

That was a myth?

While we don’t want to be the destroyers of anyone’s dreams, let us know if there are any other FFXI myths you would like busted

TH itself is the biggest myth in FFXI present, past and foreseeable future. Clear that up please.

Edit:

Which basically means you guys are admitting that putting more than TH3 on a mob is useless, which basically means TH+ gear is useless. Give me a reason to bring a thf. (at leats you admit TH9+ is useless, so why implement it).

Wrong inference. They didn't imply that at all. THF has free TH6 at least, 0 time, 0 effort. And do not ask if TH6 is really better than TH3, otherwise they'll waste more time testing useless stuff.

(Also, subbed you only get TH2, not TH3. If you say that TH3 is useful, you just gave yourself a reason to bring a THF.)

[scaevola]

Silly rumors about Treasure Hunter could be eliminated completely if you guys would just give up the act and tell us the numbers behind the trait.

[Arcon]

Silly rumors about Treasure Hunter could be eliminated completely if you guys would just give up the act and tell us the numbers behind the trait.

I believe they/he did this test outside of the dev team's territory. I don't think the dev team would even need to test it, they could just know if it's better or not, unless they're not sure of their own code. Which, thinking about it, would explain a lot..

[Babekeke]

Subbed you only get TH2, not TH3. If you say that TH3 is useful, you just gave yourself a reason to bring a THF.

Unless you have A TH aug Tarutaru Sash, of course. Or you're in abyssea using TH atma. Or you have treasure hound in Quon present zones.

/THF users will no doubt go out of their way to get a taru sash, so /THF = TH3/4

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(Edit so as not to require a second post)

we learn from this:
A) treasure hunter from gear is the same as treasure hunter from procs.

Correct.

B) treasure hunter from gear / procs. is so weak that it takes 1000 + kills to see a measurable increase from it.

Great job testing guys, now make them fix it.

Edit: I guess if you plan on killing the same NM 1000+ times, then you will see the benefit of bringing a Thief. That means that the reason Treasure Hunter is considered SOOOOOO powerful is: we will be Killing the same Notorious Monster 1,000,000,000 Times. Thanks for that glimpse into the future of FFXI.

All I can say to this is OMFG, are you serious?
If they reported back and said:

we killed 1 mob with TH9 and 1 mob with TH10, and we got more scales on the TH10 kill

we'd have sent them back with their tails between their legs. Instead, they produce a fair sample size, and idiots like you just see it as NEEDING 1000 kills to see a difference.

The trouble with increasing a chance, is that it's still a chance. If you increase TH to have a 95% drop rate and kill a mob once, you could still not get the drop then next time kill it with 5% chance of drop and it drops.

I hope you're glad I took out the time to respond to your trolling

[FrankReynolds]

All I can say to this is OMFG, are you serious?
If they reported back and said: we'd have sent them back with their tails between their legs. Instead, they produce a fair sample size, and idiots like you just see it as NEEDING 1000 kills to see a difference.

The trouble with increasing a chance, is that it's still a chance. If you increase TH to have a 95% drop rate and kill a mob once, you could still not get the drop then next time kill it with 5% chance of drop and it drops.

I hope you're glad I took out the time to respond to your trolling

The test required a sample size that big. You are a moron.

Edit: to reiterate. They didn't have to kill 1500 mobs to figure out how much of an increase it was. They killed 1500 mobs just to have reliable proof that there was any increase in drops at all.

[DebbieGibson]

The test required a sample size that big. You are a moron.

Edit: to reiterate. They didn't have to kill 1500 mobs to figure out how much of an increase it was. They killed 1500 mobs just to have reliable proof that there was any increase in drops at all.

Which is how it should be, that way a thf is not required, but still provides a benefit.

Also, you whine a lot. Also, I told you so.

[Phafi]

Since it would take a ridiculous amount of time to test this by manually increasing the Treasure Hunter effect to 9 or 10 via attacks and what not, we prepared special equipment that gave us Treasure Hunter+9 and Treasure Hunter+10 and tested it on MNK/WHM, removing all the other equipment. As a result of our testing, we determined that we got more Pugil Scales with Treasure Hunter 10.


While we don’t want to be the destroyers of anyone’s dreams, let us know if there are any other FFXI myths you would like busted

I see what you did there.

[Septimus]

Our Community Team counterpart over in Japan, Mocchi, with the aid of the QA team, decided it was time to do his own kind of Myth Busters, FFXI style to determine if the myth about the drop rate of Treasure Hunter 10 being worse than Treasure Hunter 9 was true or not.

They headed out to Mount Zhayolm to slay 1000 Sulphuric Jagils. 500 with Treasure Hunter 9 and an additional 500 with Treasure Hunter 10.

So was it true…or is this just another myth that got busted?

It is NOT true!

1. Is the Treasure Hunter effect really getting stronger like it should?
When the Treasure Hunter effect increased, we checked not only the message displayed, but the actual values that were originally set and found that it was increasing like it should.

2. TH9 vs. TH10
Since it would take a ridiculous amount of time to test this by manually increasing the Treasure Hunter effect to 9 or 10 via attacks and what not, we prepared special equipment that gave us Treasure Hunter+9 and Treasure Hunter+10 and tested it on MNK/WHM, removing all the other equipment. As a result of our testing, we determined that we got more Pugil Scales with Treasure Hunter 10.


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※This is a screenshot from actual testing.



While we don’t want to be the destroyers of anyone’s dreams, let us know if there are any other FFXI myths you would like busted

The real question was how many Pugil Scales did Mocchi get with TH9 versus TH10. And what would be the comparison between no TH, TH2, and TH3 natively available to a THF versus TH3 from gear or THF sub and gear.

Don't give me that look. I was trained to design research protocol. >_>