Treasure Hunter Testing

[Insaniac]

Just did a few Voidwatchs with no THF no Dipper Yuly and no Bounty shot and got a 2% TH bonus. I'm thinking this is from signet. Further support for the "sanction/signet/sigil = TH bonus" theory?

[Nightstrike]

Just did a few Voidwatchs with no THF no Dipper Yuly and no Bounty shot and got a 2% TH bonus. I'm thinking this is from signet. Further support for the "sanction/signet/sigil = TH bonus" theory?

What about Treasure Hound kupower effect? That's supposed to give TH+1 and gilfinder while under the effect of signet i hear.

[Arcon]

What about Treasure Hound kupower effect? That's supposed to give TH+1 and gilfinder while under the effect of signet i hear.

I don't know about Gilfinder, but it definitely gives TH+1. But that's kind of a low sample to compare with. FYI, I did all my tests so far without signet/sigil/sanction, and I'll keep doing them without.

[Insaniac]

What about Treasure Hound kupower effect? That's supposed to give TH+1 and gilfinder while under the effect of signet i hear.

I thought about that after I posted and logged on to double check if treasure hound was in effect but the kupopowers had faded lol. Either way Treasure hound is only TH+1 and wouldn't account for the +2%.

[Arcon]

I thought about that after I posted and logged on to double check if treasure hound was in effect but the kupopowers had faded lol. Either way Treasure hound is only TH+1 and wouldn't account for the +2%.

What was the sample size for the +2%?

[Insaniac]

There was no noticeable difference between the proc rate on normal hits and Mandau triple damage procs, is what I'm saying. There is no way for me to parse what hits cause TH but it's not hard to eyeball how often they proced on my mandau procs. I believe it has happened 4 times in all of my samples maybe less and yes I have been watching for it. Triple procs do the same or more than SA and don't proc anywhere near as much. The idea that SAs damage boost is what causes higher procs just doesn't fit with what I'm seeing. I did some behemoths today main handing a D1 club to prevent killing it before the people I was THing for were satisfied. I actually proced more times on my main hand hitting for 7 than i did on my offhand TK hitting for 50-100. Once again it doesn't fit.

[noodles355]

Well, if you got 4 procs, then concidering the proc rate of Mandau is rported by you as being 5%, 5% of 4845 is 242. 4 hits in 242 is 1.65%.
On the remaining 95% of swings (4603) you got 46 procs. Which is 1.00%.

The sample size is too small of course. But from the data you've reported it does show an increase in TH procs with higher damage strikes.

I never said SA and TA cause higher procs because of the increased damage, but that it could be a factor anyway (and could still be a factor on SA and TA. I know my SA set is stronger than my TA by a good margin, and I'm fairly certain I get more procs on SA than TA.)

From the small sample you've reported, plus anacdotal evidence from a Twatstar thief on BG I was talking to, plus the logic behind it being fairly reasonable, there seems good reason to follow the hypothesis and see if there is any real truth to it.

[Nightstrike]

yeah, gilfinder in general doesn't seem to do much. Heh, i remember a time when a friend played on thf for so long, she swore TH only effected treasure chests. XD Had to remind her of the day's before those(which she did play before those)

But anyways, from what iv read... is it just me, or are TH3 and 4 worse than 2? ... then again, it could be because a different amount of mobs are killed each time, so it's messing with my understanding of this... lol

[Laphine]

yeah TH3 seems to be worse than TH2 (traits only). But it could just be that TH3 does something different entirely (don't think we have proved the TH3 being a simple TH+1). Or it could just be that there is a drop rate cap, in a sense that items over x% base drop rate doesn't get the extra roll TH3 would provide.

[Insaniac]

yeah TH3 seems to be worse than TH2 (traits only). But it could just be that TH3 does something different entirely (don't think we have proved the TH3 being a simple TH+1). Or it could just be that there is a drop rate cap, in a sense that items over x% base drop rate doesn't get the extra roll TH3 would provide.

I thought about the possibility of TH3 only kicking in on items with low drop rates and if that is the case it almost makes it even more worthless. We already know how worthless TH is in voidwatch meaning 99% of the THing done in the game happens in abyssea. With !!procs theres no way anything you would be targeting has lower than a 25% drop rate which is the same as colibri feathers. The 2nd emp item also easily has higher than a 25% drop rate meaning that in abyssea TH3 would actually be completely worthless.

I still lean towards it only being TH+1 due to the fact that it's included in proc levels. If it did something else entirely I don't think it would count towards your "TH effectiveness".