Thank You SE and Good-bye

[Heimdall]

I can't wait until sept. 1st and we see tons of threads of "WHY CAN'T I LOG IN SE?!"

real fun will be when everyone who switched over gets double or triple charged again when SE charges them with the new syste and old one to

[Neika]

real fun will be when everyone who switched over gets double or triple charged again when SE charges them with the new syste and old one to

I can totally see this happening! Oh and hi heim!

[Panthera]

Think it depends on content. SE doesn't need 10 threads about billing issues. They can keep one 1000 post long one and keep track just fine.

I don't think it's that at all. The 10 thread limit about the same topic has long been since exceeded. I think it's more the tone of the discussion. The "How much business is SE going to lose?" thread got nuked because it talked about people quitting and SE losing money. This thread is essentially the same thing. I don't expect "Goodbye FFXI" threads of any kind, be they billing or game-play, to last. Enjoy this one while you can. I could be wrong--but I doubt it.

[Babekeke]

I made the point to swiftly move over to the new payment option simply so as to not miss out on the "reward item"... unfortunately I didn't think to look and see what it was before I did so. lolwarptochocobocircuit. Maybe it will have some use if you can exit to any of the areas it connects to when you use it. Maybe.
I'm covered for fraud, and my bank account has insurance to cover it, so I'm not worried about hacking. Not that there's ever anything worth stealing from it these days with the price of fuel and food rising all the time >< Might as well give Click and Buy a try.

[Heimdall]

The thing people have to get is Se isnt doing this change for any so called security or customer support. They are simply trying distance themself from direct contact to the US dollar. One the reasons they're not leting people in other countrys pay in US curency anymore. Both new systems elminates their direct contact with the dollar by 1 click and by takes on burdon of converting it to another curency themself and in turn any losses from curency flucturation with how unstable the dollar currently is and well the other SE crysta is a prepaid system. I find it highly unlikly SE even wants people using click and buy and might of effected the choise of them useing it as a option in the first place so people are more likely to use their crysta system. All it is is them trying keep some semblence of face and a pretense of fair bussiness practices by offering a 2nd option beside their own system. As i said it all comes down to them trying get away from a unstable currency and losses from flucturating exchange rates that hapeen between the initial monthly withdrawl happens and it gets to their own accounts.

[Barabas]

The thing people have to get is Se isnt doing this change for any so called security or customer support. They are simply trying distance themself from direct contact to the US dollar. One the reasons they're not leting people in other countrys pay in US curency anymore. Both new systems elminates their direct contact with the dollar by 1 click and by takes on burdon of converting it to another curency themself and in turn any losses from curency flucturation with how unstable the dollar currently is and well the other SE crysta is a prepaid system. I find it highly unlikly SE even wants people using click and buy and might of effected the choise of them useing it as a option in the first place so people are more likely to use their crysta system. All it is is them trying keep some semblence of face and a pretense of fair bussiness practices by offering a 2nd option beside their own system. As i said it all comes down to them trying get away from a unstable currency and losses from flucturating exchange rates that hapeen between the initial monthly withdrawl happens and it gets to their own accounts.

I disagree with this reasoning. I think this has more to do with ensuring that SE doesn't run into the legal nightmare Sony now has after their system was hacked and information was stolen. To me they are ensuring that no customer financial information is stored on their system by using only 3rd parties. Doesn't make *us* safer, just makes SE safer from a legal standpoint. I could be totally wrong, this is just an educated guess as to the always cloudy reasons behind many SE decisions.

[Alistria]

I disagree with this reasoning. I think this has more to do with ensuring that SE doesn't run into the legal nightmare Sony now has after their system was hacked and information was stolen. To me they are ensuring that no customer financial information is stored on their system by using only 3rd parties. Doesn't make *us* safer, just makes SE safer from a legal standpoint. I could be totally wrong, this is just an educated guess as to the always cloudy reasons behind many SE decisions.

I think you may be 100% right there, especially with plans to Launch XIV on PS3, their billing is going to go through Playstation network at that point.

Honestly though I don't see why everyone is having such an issue with this. At first when SE brought in the Enhanced security with the Verified by visa/secure thing, it was the same old song and dance. Everyone demanded that be taken out. Well those people win in the way I see it because it's no longer present.

Clicknbuy is a company I've delt with in the past for a number of years now. Never had a single problem with them. That's not to say of course that others haven't, I just personally haven't so I've got near zero expectations on that point.

The game is ever so slowly having new life breathed into it which I commend the new people at SE for attempting to do. This new director has brought us more content in the past year, than we'd seen since CoP for the most part. Yes us older players are kind of alienated because the way we did things are now completely obsolete. I can understand alot of older players being irritated with that.

That's where I think alot of the real issue is and I think alot of older players are using this new payment deal as an excuse to get all hot n bothered about something and solidify their choice to leave the game. I say let them. I'll go with the whole click n buy thing for now until I have sufficient reason to do otherwise. If fraud is such a huge concern, buy a prepaid card. Don't use your bank account for it. Ohnos that means you have to leave your chair once a month to put money on the card, but hey at least if it's stolen, whoever steals it isn't going to get much more than a few dollars to play with.

[Panthera]

Since when does YOU = ALL? How do you know for a fact that "no one" wants to hear why?

Pro tip: use the ignore list to block posts from backseat moderators who never contribute anything of substance whatsoever to any of the threads they've ever contributed to.

The game is ever so slowly having new life breathed into it which I commend the new people at SE for attempting to do. This new director has brought us more content in the past year, than we'd seen since CoP for the most part. Yes us older players are kind of alienated because the way we did things are now completely obsolete. I can understand alot of older players being irritated with that.

He's brought us less content by making older stuff obsolete, while not providing enough content new content to make up for what was lost.

That's where I think alot of the real issue is and I think alot of older players are using this new payment deal as an excuse to get all hot n bothered about something and solidify their choice to leave the game. I say let them.

In a way, I think I essentially agree with what you're saying, but I'd say it differently. I'd say it,"This is the last straw, and not worth it anymore." I wouldn't use the word "excuse," I'd say,"motivator." "Excuse" makes it sounds like it isn't a reason in and of itself. Given that we were playing what there is to play before this--but not now--Id say this reason is very real. Nothing hollow about it.

As far as,"leaving the chair once a month" goes, this is why Netflix bankrupted Blockbuster and the video store chain paradigm. Going backwards in an the age of on-demand tv and movies, Amazon, etc. is the death knell to an online game.

Maybe some people have had no problems with Click'n Buy, but there are people who have had problems with them--too many for comfort. Forcing people to buy more than they need doesn't help matters, either.

[RAIST]

I disagree with this reasoning. I think this has more to do with ensuring that SE doesn't run into the legal nightmare Sony now has after their system was hacked and information was stolen. To me they are ensuring that no customer financial information is stored on their system by using only 3rd parties. Doesn't make *us* safer, just makes SE safer from a legal standpoint. I could be totally wrong, this is just an educated guess as to the always cloudy reasons behind many SE decisions.

The problem with the whole security/liability reasoning is that it falls apart when you turn around and save all that information for one specific region. They are still open to the same security risk and subject to the same liability for the JP players, to whom they have decided to extend the previous direct biling by credit card option. They are still saving that CC info on their servers, and still processing them just as before with the POL billing system.

They appear to be simply not doing it for the NA/EU players. THAT is what the problem is. They could have just as easily extended that option to all regions, in ADDITION to adding the new options. But, for some unknown reason, they have chosen not to do so and instead are alienating a lot of loyal customers--in some cases shutting them out completely because they can't use the alternative payment methods.

[Panthera]

I think this has more to do with ensuring that SE doesn't run into the legal nightmare Sony now has after their system was hacked and information was stolen. To me they are ensuring that no customer financial information is stored on their system by using only 3rd parties. Doesn't make *us* safer, just makes SE safer from a legal standpoint.

Interesting point, but if they were all that concerned with their own liability, why keep CC info of their JP customers?