Thank You SE and Good-bye

[Panthera]

There's one of two possibilities here.

A) SE didn't research implementation of Billing 2.0 adequately. They didn't realize they would lose so many customers for so many reasons. They're desperately trying to fix the problem.

---or---

B) SE thoroughly researched the implications of Billing 2.0. After cost analysis, they realized that they cannot afford a large scale operation, and they'd make more money by limiting who can play.


Either way, I don't think SE "hates" this group or that. They're a business, and money is money.

I myself tend to believe that "A" is true, or "more" true than "B". They're not perfect, they can't see the future. I believe this because I'm not perfect and I can't see the future. If it were me, I would want to get people playing, and keep people playing. Wouldn't you?

[Octaviane]

"I notice that you are picking small holes in linguistics & yet totally ignore my point - people are getting kicked from the game based on their nationality".

False....the real issue for you is your IP address, which, regardless of how many UK CC's you have or any other come to that, simply states that the option to use C&B is not available in your region and has nothing to do with your Nationality. That is not racism. It is however, the fault of SE for not seeing the big picture and realizing that they would likely lose some of its customer base because of the options given not being available everywhere..

"AS for your "advice" on what details I reveal on Forums;

A) Im 40 years old & having been using computers daily since 1980. I'm guessing you haven't done this & as so I dont want or need your advice on how to use computers. The information I gave out : Im disabled, I have UK bank cards, I live in Thailand. This is NOT ID-Fraud template material".

My Employer is going to be really upset to find out that after all these years I am unable to use a Computer. Sarcasm intended.

Your disability has no bearing on your inability to pay and play and is the kind of thing that should be kept out of Forum discussions. You found it necessary to include it because the "Forum Troll" as you put it said something that offended you, eliciting exactly the response he was looking for.

Just because you have UK bank cards means nothing, people who live in the UK and have them are sometimes unable to pay via C&B using them, my sister is an example....go figure, she tried it, epic fail. At least you weren't asked to provide sensitive information such as copies of Driver's Licenses, Birth Certificates, Passports, length of toenails and fingernails, height, weight, hair and eye color to prove who they were. Just WHAT would you have said then? IF you HAD bothered to take note of any of the posts in the main thread addressing these problems you would know these details about C&B.

I don't think I said that your post was without merit, nor am I defending SE, but, your use of the "race" card is inappropriate and uncalled for. I find it interesting that when something goes wrong like this that there are just that certain % of people who will pull out a race or some other form of "poor me, I am being persecuted" card. There are many people here who COULD have used the same "race" card regarding the ability of JP to still use CC's and buy exact amounts of Crysta, but they didn't. There are many who could use the same "race" card all over the world because not all options are available in all countries or regions, but they didn't. There are Australians, Russians, South Americans, Canadians, British, Americans and many other Nationalities who for whatever reason don't have the options available that have been offered. Neither SEA nor any other region has been singled out as regions that are considered a bad risk. It is simply a matter of SE having their collective heads stuck in the sand and not realizing the consequences of their actions in their haste to implement changes to the payment system.

The bottom line is SE's bottom line, and, IF it is is substantially impacted by the choices/decisions thay have made, PERHAPS they will see the error of their ways. Please don't hold your breath though.

[Maevia]

"My Employer is going to be really upset to find out that after all these years I am unable to use a Computer. Sarcasm intended. "

Actually its REALLY patronising of you to offer a total stranger on the net "advice" on "safe posting in public forums", when you don't know that personmight be older than you and with many years more experience of the net than you. In addition, the details I divulged about myself were NOT in any way possible to be used by ID-fraud or any other online threat. So you were patronising me and for no reason.

[Maevia]

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.].

Go for it. Try and take out a loan or a CC using the ID I've given you : Maevia(a type of jumping spider found in the equatorial tropics), Thailand, Barclays, wheelchair, MS.
There you go. Build an ID-template with that stuff which will clear a Loans Agency or Refinancing agency etc. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]

FYI to everyone who has commented on this : you need home adress, D.O.B., CC-details (inc. sec & doi), real name. For an ID Fraud template. I gave you 0/4 of these things that are essential for ID Fraud. So good luck.

Ironically Click & Buy have already skimmed the ghost script for ALL my ID-template and dual CC, before telling me Im rejected on grounds of nationality. They used IP logging so THEY COULD HAVE REJECTED ME BEFORE I FILLED IN THE SECURE I.D.TEMPLATE DETAILS, but for *some reason* they let you fill in alll the fields including card security no. and then they say we logged you as South East Asia & we don't accept people from that part of the world. Thats a classic scam - skim the ID template then reject the customer and move the ID to a seperate fraud syndicate.

As said before about ten years ago I was ID-frauded and not from posting in a Forum but from buying a table in a highstreet popular furniture shop in England. One of their cashiers was skimming CC-details and delivery adresses/names which *IS* what you need for ID Fraud, and selling them onto a syndicate based in France.. Again, this took them five minutes and was done while I was buying a table in a legitimate shop used by thousands of ppl. The person did it was caught before any of the loans & refinancings that they applied for in my ID was finalised, but he had previously skimmed another 500~ CC before he was caught and stolen approximately £800,000, all without his boss the owner of the furniture shop knowing about it.

RE: your prejudiced, bigoted, insulting attacks on my disability which are by the way against the Law in many countries, to publicallly mock and insult disabled people is actually a crime. I am genuinely disabled, and I live i Thailand partly because high-dose vitamin D from the sun is one of the only arresting factors in advanced MS, i.e. theres no cure but strong equatorial sunshine can slow the progress ,once you cross a certain point. I'm not rich either and in England the NHS is very FAIL & the private healthcare costs a fortune. Plus there is still not an effective medicine for MS. Modern doctors put you on a diet regimine and tell you to go out in the sun 3 hours/day.

[Neonii]

Maevia I think they were suggesting that personal information gives folks who troll information to use to mock you. It's really none of their business. I didn't get the impression that they were talking about credit cards. I can only speak for myself when I say I don't feel the need to justify anything to folks I feel are trolls. I would and have put folks on ignore when I felt they were making it personal.

[Revanchist]

I was going to comment again on your apparent condescending attitude etc Korpg, but now I think "Why bother?" You have your own opinion and disregard everyone else's opinion/view whatsoever. If that's what you enjoy doing, then 'keep on trolling'.

@Maevia : While I may agree with what you say, I do think you've given out too much information about yourself. All that's done, is given fuel to the trolls to use against you.