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    Player Tsukino_Kaji's Avatar
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    Tsukinokaji
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    Siren
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    WHM Lv 99
    5 STP.
    5 Meditate.
    5 Shikikiyo.
    5 Blade Bash.

    But I never sam to kill stuff, that's what my friend is for. There's a reason why I play around in +75eva. lol
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    Player Ryozen's Avatar
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    Nyosan
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    Quetzalcoatl
    Main Class
    SAM Lv 95
    Anyone who recommends 0/5 Overwhelm should be immediately ignored.

    I currently have 5/5 Store TP, Meditate, Overwhelm, and 4/5 Ikishoten, 1/5 Blade Bash.

    I use a five-hit build for my Masamune, and 4 Ikishoten merits are required to shave a hit off of the build with a Hassanshin proc. If I used a 6-hit build, I might drop a few Store TP merits for Zanshin rate merits. Then again I might not. It's pretty hard to say which is better at this point.

    Before the SAM adjustments, I had 4/5 Blade Bash, 1/5 Shikikoyo, and no Ikishoten merits.
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    Player Dirtyfinger's Avatar
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    Dirtyfinger
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    Odin
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    WAR Lv 95
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryozen View Post
    Anyone who recommends 0/5 Overwhelm should be immediately ignored.

    I currently have 5/5 Store TP, Meditate, Overwhelm, and 4/5 Ikishoten, 1/5 Blade Bash.

    I use a five-hit build for my Masamune, and 4 Ikishoten merits are required to shave a hit off of the build with a Hassanshin proc. If I used a 6-hit build, I might drop a few Store TP merits for Zanshin rate merits. Then again I might not. It's pretty hard to say which is better at this point.

    Before the SAM adjustments, I had 4/5 Blade Bash, 1/5 Shikikoyo, and no Ikishoten merits.
    100% this.
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    Player Tsukino_Kaji's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryozen View Post
    Anyone who recommends 0/5 Overwhelm should be immediately ignored.
    I have 0/5 overwhelm. But I'm sure you can figure why if you read when I have merited.
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    Player scaevola's Avatar
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    Scaevola
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    Cerberus
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    THF Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji View Post
    I have 0/5 overwhelm. But I'm sure you can figure why if you read when I have merited.
    Absolutely, but I doubt "I have no idea what I'm doing with this job and don't realize there are probably a half dozen jobs out there actually designed to do whatever inscrutable thing it is I'm trying to accomplish with SAM" is what you mean.
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    tandava crackows + chocobo jig + animated flourish = prouesse ring

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    Player DarkBass's Avatar
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    Darkbass
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    Quetzalcoatl
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    SAM Lv 99
    Pre update my merits were 5/5 Store TP and 5/5 Meditate recast. They were key aspects of the job. Group two i had 5/5 Overwhelm, 3/5 Shikikoyo, 1/5 Blade Bash and 1/5 Ikishoten. I hardly ever used shikikoyo or blade bash. and i felt since i miss sometimes, why not throw a merit in ikishoten.

    My merits now(post update) are 5/5 Store Store tp and 5/5 Zanshin Attack rate. Group two is 5/5 Overwhelm and 4-5/5 Ikishoten because i have to put a merit into blade bash before Voidwatch. The change in my merits is because with 5/5 Zanshin attack rate (+5% added to zanshin attack rate) along with Native Zanshin attack rate (45%) Katana Grip, Ace's Mufflers, Unkai Sugemino, Unkai Mimikazari, and Unkai Domaru +2, i have 73-74% Zanshin attack rate. Since Zanshin activates while Hasso is active, It REEEEEEEEALLY shows. I get 110 tp in two attack rounds a lot.
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    Last edited by DarkBass; 08-12-2011 at 06:40 PM.
    The one who walks the road of Twilight. Bow to no one. Defeat everything.

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    Player Taint2's Avatar
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    Dirtyfinger
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    Cerberus
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    SAM Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkBass View Post
    Pre update my merits were 5/5 Store TP and 5/5 Meditate recast. They were key aspects of the job. Group two i had 5/5 Overwhelm, 3/5 Shikikoyo, 1/5 Blade Bash and 1/5 Ikishoten. I hardly ever used shikikoyo or blade bash. and i felt since i miss sometimes, why not throw a merit in ikishoten.

    My merits now(post update) are 5/5 Store Store tp and 5/5 Zanshin Attack rate. Group two is 5/5 Overwhelm and 4-5/5 Ikishoten because i have to put a merit into blade bash before Voidwatch. The change in my merits is because with 5/5 Zanshin attack rate (+5% added to zanshin attack rate) along with Native Zanshin attack rate (45%) Katana Grip, Ace's Mufflers, Unkai Sugemino, Unkai Mimikazari, and Unkai Domaru +2, i have 73-74% Zanshin attack rate. Since Zanshin activates while Hasso is active, It REEEEEEEEALLY shows. I get 110 tp in two attack rounds a lot.

    Kinda on the right page, but Hasso Zanshin is 1/4 of your zanshin rate, so 74% Zanshin is an 18% (SE likes to round down) chance of a hasso zanshin proc. Merits on SAM right now are very up in the air. You can 6hit a Masamune with 0 merits in STP and stack zanshin/DA gear. Which is probably best for high haste situations. The definites are 4/5+ Iki and 5/5 Overwelm. If you always ride your Med timer then Med merits are nice. (most people don't in my experience) If 5/5 Zanshin gains you 2% more Hasso Zanshin procs its pretty damn potent but thats not always the case.

    For any SAM my advice is to cap Haste (26 visible) then fine tune your Xhit then focus on HassoZanshin/DA.
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    Player Dirtyfinger's Avatar
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    Dirtyfinger
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    Odin
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    WAR Lv 95
    5/5 Zanshin may mean 5% more Zanshin, but it doesn't mean 5% for Hassanshin.
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    Player Raka's Avatar
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    Character
    Shyuko
    World
    Carbuncle
    Main Class
    PLD Lv 99
    With use of Masamune my current merits are as follows:

    Group 1:

    Store TP 5/5
    Meditate recast 5/5

    Group 2:

    Overwhelm 5/5
    Ikishoten 5/5

    I am proud to say I dislike sharing my TP with other people in exchange for even quicker TP gain upon Zanshin proc.
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    Last edited by Raka; 08-13-2011 at 10:01 PM.

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