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  1. #51
    Player Francisco's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    Preciely the amount of person having access to hachiryu body matters because it bring goals for the most dedicated players. The reason you didn't see many compaints is because the ratio difficulty/reward was acceptable compared to sky gear or salvage gear. Right now you don't have this. And the result is people crying about lack of content. And no JP always kill it first.
    Sky and salvage gear was never really hard to get, if you were dedicated to it.

    Hachiryu body is completely irrelevant for the same reason Ninurta's Sash was for NIN. Great if you can get it - but no one expects it, and 99% of players had no chance of ever getting a sniff of either of those items. Basically for MNK, full Usukane with Black Belt was "top gear".

    The only challenge to salvage gear was having a group, and having patience.

    I'm not talking about people being mad that Tantra is too easy to obtain. I'm talking about people who went into the initial level cap raise (75-80) with the mindset of "they better not replace Usukane/E.Body/Byakko's"...

    Heck, a lot of people were mad at the level increase to begin with because "I'm done leveling".

    The level cap increase to 80 didn't change a lot about what equipment we wore... added some decent weapons (G.Axe from that sandworm), macro pieces (Heafoc), and a few miscellany pieces (Bullwhip, Owleyes)... but nothing groundbreaking.

    Level 85 added the first significant changes in equipment with 85 Emps, some AF3+2 and some accessories. Most of the people were in awe over the gear - but some threw a temper tantrum over not being the best anymore. And this is all before we knew how to obtain the upgrade items, how many were needed, and how difficult they were.
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    Pretty sure people were mad at the onset when a full set of Perle was going to outperform the gear they'd been working for years to obtain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selzak View Post
    Pretty sure people were mad at the onset when a full set of Perle was going to outperform the gear they'd been working for years to obtain.
    Perle never outperformed anything top notch. Ever.

    It got close to outperforming DRG's other gearsets, but Walahra/Ares body/Dusk hands/Homam/Homam > Perle. And you could upgrade hands to Dusk+1. Everyone else had Walahra/???/Dusk/Byakko/Dusk+1(or any variety of haste feets), and as long as you had Byakko's Haidate nothing else came close to that set. Walmart hat+Dusk+Byakko is the same amount of haste in 3 slots as Perle is in 5.

    Just saying, Perle has always been pretty much crap. Only good for new players.
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    There was a LOT of complaing in previous XI updates from the XIV userbase, the really low key way they have been doing updates the last month or two shows they took notice. Only reason I can see for how horribly low key and un-exciting this stuff is now.

    I think I'm less excited about FFXI after reading this stupid update note than before.
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    I imagine they're waiting for the final level cap before really adding the endgame content. Or they may be planning to add quests or something to make the old content part of the new endgame. I kind of wish they'd start working on a FFXI-2 or something so they could add new regions. I know 14 has improved, but the flexibility of job change is what I like most.
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    Player Runespider's Avatar
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    I imagine they're waiting for the final level cap before really adding the endgame content. Or they may be planning to add quests or something to make the old content part of the new endgame. I kind of wish they'd start working on a FFXI-2 or something so they could add new regions. I know 14 has improved, but the flexibility of job change is what I like most.
    I remember during FFXIV beta testing, everyone thought final release would be better and have more content...never happened. If they have plans to add a ton of stuff at 99 they would be showing it off not hiding it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runespider View Post
    I remember during FFXIV beta testing, everyone thought final release would be better and have more content...never happened. If they have plans to add a ton of stuff at 99 they would be showing it off not hiding it.
    Well SE has already revealed what 99 will have:

    -Voidwatch
    -The Last Stand
    -Merit Revisions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonlionheart View Post
    Perle never outperformed anything top notch. Ever.

    It got close to outperforming DRG's other gearsets, but Walahra/Ares body/Dusk hands/Homam/Homam > Perle. And you could upgrade hands to Dusk+1. Everyone else had Walahra/???/Dusk/Byakko/Dusk+1(or any variety of haste feets), and as long as you had Byakko's Haidate nothing else came close to that set. Walmart hat+Dusk+Byakko is the same amount of haste in 3 slots as Perle is in 5.

    Just saying, Perle has always been pretty much crap. Only good for new players.
    Ares was not that great of a tp piece for drg. Asker was by far a better TP was what was really widely used for drg. Ares wasn't that great of a WS piece either. Heca+1 had more str easy to find close to the same the price and the Acc was more important to drgs for our 2 main WS then attack. The only thing Ares was really good for was drg/mage non-toau soloing or drg burn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonlionheart View Post
    Perle never outperformed anything top notch. Ever.

    It got close to outperforming DRG's other gearsets, but Walahra/Ares body/Dusk hands/Homam/Homam > Perle. And you could upgrade hands to Dusk+1. Everyone else had Walahra/???/Dusk/Byakko/Dusk+1(or any variety of haste feets), and as long as you had Byakko's Haidate nothing else came close to that set. Walmart hat+Dusk+Byakko is the same amount of haste in 3 slots as Perle is in 5.

    Just saying, Perle has always been pretty much crap. Only good for new players.
    Thanks for making my point for me. People spout madness such as this in a desperate attempt to preserve their status as "elite". Perle Armor is not nearly as good as the Empyrean +1 sets for the jobs that can use it (looking back, it served as a good holdover to Empyrean Armor), but I'll eat this laptop if it didn't come close to matching the non-HNM gear prior to the first cap increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
    Thanks for making my point for me. People spout madness such as this in a desperate attempt to preserve their status as "elite". Perle Armor is not nearly as good as the Empyrean +1 sets for the jobs that can use it (looking back, it served as a good holdover to Empyrean Armor), but I'll eat this laptop if it didn't come close to matching the non-HNM gear prior to the first cap increase.
    Using it for WS sets, you actually don't come close. Perle is utter crap compared to N head, body, hands, legs, feet. For SAM, Shura is still better.

    TP is closer, but again, not as good when you can get 1% more haste w/o the set than with it.
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