dump the PS2...

[RAIST]

I think maybe he meant only having the discs for the ps2 not the content IDs? (just guessing)

But ya IDs aren't system specific by any means. I play on the ps2/PC all the time with the same accounts depending on whether or not I want to sit on the couch.

Regardless, there are ways to identify how they are connecting. Even something as simple as the registared MAC address. They have a means to ID the system when it checks for updates. So it could be something they integrate only in the POL client that the PS2 downloads.

Granted, some could spoof MAC on a PC I guess... but if they are that hard up to save $5, $10, or $20 to buy a PC release.... Integrating it with the PS2 POL client would be the most likely way to set it up.

Point is, it could be done.

[RAIST]

SE is well within their rights to dump this by now.

They don't have any binding obligation to even bother updating the PS2.

Secondly, I'm wondering why they don't just add PC specific updates rather than PS2. If people feel it's unfair they could always upgrade their system :|

It's not fair that such a great game, is being held back and pinned down to a wall rather than being allowed to really manifest graphically, as well as comfortably into a newer age.

I really hope in time, they do choose to leave behind the PS2, and or at least keep the PS2 limitations, to the PS2. It wouldn't take away from the player base that plays on PS2. However, even PS2 players realize that the limitations hold the game back, and would like for the game to be better.

Yet, understand that they won't see a better game on PS2, ever. I'd say it's more along the lines of "We don't have the man power to invest, more time into further developing 11 past what we already do." much more than, "PS2 Limitations" ^-^;

I get the impression they are already kind of tweaking the 360/PC clients more. Unless the PS2 clients also got the HD icons and text as well... forget the details. Just how much they can improve things on with the whole render-to-texture crap remains to be seen though (contributes to why AA doesn't work as expected on PC). Sure would be nice if more tasks could be offloaded to the GPU one day. Even my old grandpa (by todays standards, not quite a dinosaur yet) ATI 4850 is snoozing most the time.

[Romanova]

Regardless, there are ways to identify how they are connecting. Even something as simple as the registared MAC address. They have a means to ID the system when it checks for updates. So it could be something they integrate only in the POL client that the PS2 downloads.

That's not a content ID thing though. I think you're confusing on what that ID actually does.

Yes you are correct that they can see what system you are accessing. But that has zero to do with the actual content ID.

[RAIST]

That's not a content ID thing though. I think you're confusing on what that ID actually does.

Yes you are correct that they can see what system you are accessing. But that has zero to do with the actual content ID.

That particular brain fart has already been pointed out and corrected on the record.

I'm simply used to dealing with software who's licensing is regionally assigned (Microsoft and IBM did this for years, not sure if they still do as I haven't dealt with licensing as a partner for almost 5 years now), so I'm just in the habit of those things being regionally allocated.

The point is they have a mechanic in place to identify how a user is connected that can be used for preventing non-PS2 users from getting a free copy of the software if they wanted to extend an offer for a copy of another paltform's software for the express purpose of migrating away from the PS2.

[Eri]

I get the impression they are already kind of tweaking the 360/PC clients more. Unless the PS2 clients also got the HD icons and text as well... forget the details. Just how much they can improve things on with the whole render-to-texture crap remains to be seen though (contributes to why AA doesn't work as expected on PC). Sure would be nice if more tasks could be offloaded to the GPU one day. Even my old grandpa (by todays standards, not quite a dinosaur yet) ATI 4850 is snoozing most the time.

PS2 didn't get the Updates on Icons. They will also not get further UI Cosmetics. As thu as long as SE doesnt support DX11 and adds Highres Textures.... (Granted some Areas in like Empi Paradox (Abys) look awsome) .....

It wouldn't even be hard to add Higher res Textures for PC/Xbox... DX is another Story..... if they wanted they could Buff PC and Xbox as mutch that every PS2 Player would swich Systems only for the looks. Mainly there are codeing issues thu... like stack sizes..... limited Autotranslate..... such things..... if they could change stuff without changeing the code entirely they would've done it most likeley unless the PS2 hasn't got room for that =P

[Romanova]

The point is they have a mechanic in place to identify how a user is connected that can be used for preventing non-PS2 users from getting a free copy of the software if they wanted to extend an offer for a copy of another paltform's software for the express purpose of migrating away from the PS2.

ummm yes and no though. Yes you couldn't say install FFXI on the Wii because of what you just explained. But we're talking Ps2-> Ps3 here which is completely possible even considering what you said.

You can already play ffxi on the ps3 (I do). The only thing that stops them is things like hardrives n' ram n' such (<-basic) which would go directly to the ps3 anyway. They have the capacity to create more memory than a ps2 can handle program-wise, but they obviously wouldn't because people wouldn't be able to install it. You'd still be able to install it on your ps3 though.

[RAIST]

ummm yes and no though. Yes you couldn't say install FFXI on the Wii because of what you just explained. But we're talking Ps2-> Ps3 here which is completely possible even considering what you said.

You can already play ffxi on the ps3 (I do). The only thing that stops them is things like hardrives n' ram n' such (<-basic) which would go directly to the ps3 anyway. They have the capacity to create more memory than a ps2 can handle program-wise, but they obviously wouldn't because people wouldn't be able to install it. You'd still be able to install it on your ps3 though.

but it would still be using the PS2 specific installation media and client, and get the PS2 specific updates. So, it would still be identifiable as a PS2 user from the client software perspective. Running FFXI on a Mac via Windows is still running the Windows client, not a Mac client.

Edit:
The point of the post is to isolate the PS2 client from the rest, provide the incentive to migrate by developing only for the higher platforms, provide additional incentive by providing an offer to get the software either for free or at cost and using something specific to the PS2 client to ID them to avoid fraud abuse, and gently phase out support for the PS2 client.