Play Online Viewer after account transfer

[Eadieni]

The Play Online viewer really loses its necessity after the upgrade to this, except some friend list management options. (I don't think you can delete someone off your friends list, or rename them or any kind of management except add while in game).

This would be a great time to, on the PC and possibly 360 and PS2, remove the play online client and replace it with a stand alone launcher similar to FFXIV. You'd just have to push an update through POL that changes the executable, and archives or deletes the existing launcher, to a simple login prompt (exactly like FFXIVs).

FFXIV for those who don't know, has a simple setup of:
Username
Password
One Time Password

Along with some information, a link to the Lodestone (FFXIVs equivilent of Play Online.com), and a maintenance information page if the servers are down.

The clunky PoL login interface has served its purpose and should be done away with, especially if billing is now going to be handled online. The chat rooms are empty, Tetra Master is offline, services are now going to be removed from it, it's it for except a really drawn-out login box? Even the PS2 version could be updated to a simple login prompt and server information page.

I'd also be in favor of removing Handles and linking it directly to your Square-Enix ID for all characters, which could, in the future, allow for Cross-Game chat between FFXI and FFXIV. (Don't think it's possible? EQ1 and EQ2, and SWG, and Vanguard, and others, support it. In fact you can chat with your guilds in-game from the website, and even from a chat client they made. It's years ahead of POL).

(If this issue is addressed someone I didn't see it, I did a forum search and looked in the article and found no discussion on it).

[RAIST]

POL was highly embedded in what goes on with FFXI though. It is more than just a launcher. They may well be working towards removing it one day, but they have to take it in small steps--remove one dependency and replace it with something else and make sure you didn't f*ck something up, and fix it if you did. Do too much at once and it makes it a lot harder to figure out just what break what.

no matter what, FFXI is going to need some sort of launcher for the login and version check/download process. It may still be the POL shell, just a stripped down version of it by the time they are done with it all.

[Rhianu]

I'm just wondering what SE is planning to do about all those Japanese PS2 players who don't own a computer. How are they going to manage their accounts?

[RAIST]

maybe they all have the web on ttheir smart phones?

who knows wth they are thinking at this point......

[Eadieni]

Ditch the PS2 version ? That would be awesome. (I don't hate PS2 users just that they have begun to limit the PC version -severely- because of ps2 limitations).

All they'd have to do is change POL to be a simple patcher, and a login box. Could keep the same login window it has now, but then it would jump right into FFXI. Heck, they could make a Combo Launcher for FFXI/FFXIV in the future (Launch both games, if installed, and patch them both).

[RAIST]

eh.. ps2 limits aren't there simply because it is still supported. The core of the game was built around the limited resources avaialble to the environment. So, there are "hard" limits to certain resources that still exist in the PC and 360 that otherwise would not exist if they had designed it with say an x86 platform in mind.

Basically, after dropping the PS2, they would have to rebuild a lot of the core elements of the original structure.

Easiest analogy I can think of offhand is running 32bit software on 64bit Windows and hardware. Just because the OS and hardware can use 8 byte commands to enhance performance, that 32 bit software is still limited by it's core design to use 4 byte commands, so it is nerfed in comparison to a recompiled 64bit version of the same software. Or another example, when MMX, SSE2 and dual-cores first came out programs weren't compiled to exploit the new architecture and had to be redesigned from the ground up to support the new features.

[Eadieni]

@Raist
If Everquest can upgrade the game from DX8 to DX9 (and even to 9.0c) and go from crashing when fullscreen is lost, to being able to window, and can change its whole chat system to be a cross-game system, then SE can do it too.

FFXI is DX8 based, just like EQ was.
It's basically a matter of what SE thinks the future of FFXI is worth. A gradual upgrade to DX9 would allow things like:
Complex Shaders
GPU Shadows
Alt-Tab in fullscreen
DX 9 light sources!
Reflective water (part of shaders)
Cloth simulation (that would be really tough, EQ1 was able to add it though).


Anyways the point was POL Viewer sucks and this is a great time to greatly reduce mess it is.

[RAIST]

That's the API layer for graphics. That is a layer added with the wrapper that is runing the PS2 environement's code. The PS2 is not using DirectX--that is part of the "wrapper" used for the PC version. Not sure of the specifics on the 360--but the graphics on the PC are a seperate entity in a sense. They could add DX9 support without changing any of the core. They infact were trying to ggive it a DX update a while back, but they were exhausting more resources trying to accomplish certain things and dropped it. At least it finally gave everyone windowed mode in the process though.

I'm talking about the core of the game. The components that still rely so heavily on the CPU because of the emulation. The reason why your graphics card snoozes while your CPU is heating up.

[Rhianu]

Maybe SE just has amateur programers who don't know how to create things effectively.

[Dragoy]

It could well be too much work to ditch it completely, really, due to how they originally wrote it...

I'd have to say OpenGL over DirectX, though, but no one will be asking me (haha), and it really is not worth a discussion in my honest opinion because I can't imagine any major changes to the code happening, ever, and even if they would go ferit, they wouldn't ask me, or probably anyone else. \ö/


Again, just my thoughts~