Thankyou karbuncle for this thread, granted it took me time to realize it existed and i did post a rather aggressive post in the melee thread just now, this what that post exactly called for! Now for me, i think potency is one way to go for rdm, as we do lack some in the mage department, however... On an enhancing/enfeebling standpoint personally, id like to see spells more in line with the gain spells to be utilized for RDM, things not unlike "Gain-Att" or perhaps to boost those wanting to enhance our tanking/offenses in mage methods, we could add "Gain-MAB" or "Gain-MDB" to rdm for some very powerful buffing indeed, as it would further support the mage side and manifesto ideals. Allowing us to boost our own MAB or that of say a BLM/SCH would help the party, especially with the ability to cast gain stat spells (int/str/dex) separately from these gains. That or again possibly splitting the gain spells from the boost spells, allowing us to utilize all at once, boost spells AOE but cant stack, why not make it so gain can stack but not aoe? Just some thoughts.