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    Player Hyrist's Avatar
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    One downside to your ability, Karby, is that it takes away from the AF3+2 set ability, which enhances the duration of your party's buffs. By casting self-only (say Protect, Haste, Shell, Stoneskin, Phalanx, Spikes, Aquaveil) and then Aura-ing it, you might as well not even bother. Just as a note, it might end up making the set obsolete.
    I understand this concern.

    How about this, as an alternative?

    Let the JA sacrafice our current Enhancement set, the full set of enhancements, to give to the party as a whole, effected by the same modifications to enhacement duration and composure that our gear normally would.

    So say, while we have composure up, and we split our haste to the party, they would only get the normal duration haste if the RDM wasn't wearing their AF3. But with it on, it would get the same duraton bonuses it would normally get otherwise. (And RDM would just have to buff himself twice and just recast on himself.)

    Working much in the same way Spirit Link does when you have mertis in Empathy.

    This would prevent the workover issue of AF3+2 which, honestly doen't do all that much for us due to our limit of availability on single target buffs anyways. Refresh, Regen, and Haste, are the only things our AF3 enhances, and we've got a looong list of enhancing spells.

    Or, alternatively (if the first ability seems overpowered), a JA that makes a buff we target on others "Aura" to nearby party members. Example: Just the JA, cast "Haste" on one of the DDs in AF+3. Suddenly, everyone in the melee party gets haste gets it for the duration it lasts on the target party member.
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    Oops! also i meant to say with Composure it would simply (originally) Spread the duration enhancement, not the actual Composure Buff.

    JA buffs would be exempt from being passed on, Only Buffs from Spells.
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    Player Hyrist's Avatar
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    Right, what the concern was, is that our AF3+2 is kind of designed with the idea that we're actively casting on another individual other than ourselves, and that spreadding our buffs from ourselves would give the default tripple duration buff (+ self effect gear) rather than the typcial AF3+2 Duration increase, esentially rendering the AF3+2 effect useless.

    That's why I added my suggestions to compensate for that possibility.

    On a side note. The one bone SE did give us was the idea of new Enfeebles, and not to take us to off track, what enfeebles would you like to see us get, (how would you address the enemy TP move issue as well?)
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    Player Karbuncle's Avatar
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    Amnesia (this can be given without being broken)

    Plague (Same as above)

    Inhibit (Gives same effect as "Inhibit TP", reduces an Enemies TP gain)

    Reflect (Maybe this should go to PLD as well, It could not be as powerful as past titles.. Would be hard to balance)

    Stop (Removes any "Regain", "Regen" or "Refresh" Effect the Enemy has for a period of time)


    I think stop would help in a lot of fights, but could be balanced to not be overpowered. Imagine stopping the Turtle in KSNM99's regen for ~20 seconds or so? or a Mobs Regain effect for a period of time.

    Could do wonders for HNM-scene RDMs.
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    Player Hyrist's Avatar
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    Amnesia would be our TP form of Silence. I've been in support of it for a long while.

    Plague would have to be Black Magic based, obviously. But morover I'm sure it and inhibit TP would serve the same effect, which would be essentially "Slow" on TP gain. We'd obviously end up sharing these debuffs with BLM at the very least.

    "Refect" can work a lot like blink/aquaveil except it returns damage to the opponent a specific number of times. Have it only work on single target spells and you have your balancing.

    Not sure on "Stop" though I like the concept.

    I'd like to see a form of Confusion and I'd give it one of two pourposes.

    1. Randomly makes the opponent inflict damage/target themselves for an action, works on spells and TP moves.
    2. Have it work like "Hesitation" in that it causes a damage/effect reduction and a "Use" increase time on TP moves specifically. (Think a TP version of addle.)
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    Well what ways are in the game atm for hindering TP attacks?

    Inhibit type effects that work as an anti-store TP
    Subtle Blow that reduces how much it receives from being hit.
    Plague that drains TP per sec.

    Out of those I'd probably say Inhibits the best since it reduces it by a set percentage though you won't really see much of an effect till the mob is under 25% HP.

    One interesting idea might be to create a negative TP bonus effect where it works the opposite of TP bonus. There might be an issue where the game couldn't calculate TP below 100 from the effect, but maybe the solution is to not let the monster TP attack until it reaches the equivalent of 100 TP. If you have the gear to make your negative TP bonus -50 from your gear then the monster won't be able to WS until 150 TP and it'll be treated as 100 TP.

    Now this might not even be possible as this might cause some small issues in PvP ect as they would likely have to create the staus effect to be usable on players which could be a pain, but if that could work it would certainly be a powerful effect that could hinder the enemies TP attacks.
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    I'm in agreement about TP inhibition being a much needed direction our enfeebles need to go. It might even give other jobs some "breathing room" to melee a bit more often if TP Feed doesn't become as much of a huge scare as it is now. We've need Amnesia as a spell for a long time, but even something to simply reduce TP like Stop and Inhibit you guys mentioned above, sound like wonderful ideas, that are long overdue. Slow/Para/Blind just isn't cutting it anymore.
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    Regarding Sphere-style buffs from earlier, they could either be restricted to buffs that aren't overwritten by debuffs (think Refresh or Enspell vs. Haste or Attack Up which can be overwritten by debuffs), or put at a 0-priority level (so even low-priority Slows would overwrite Haste). A possible bonus would be that even though debuffs can overwrite them, a Slow wouldn't need to be Erased + Re-Hasted, you would just Erase and the Sphere effect would take over once the negative status is gone (similar to how Aura debuffs on Abyssea NMs reassert themselves immediately after your Paralyna, etc.).

    Also, a Sphere-spell doesn't necessarily have to be Self-targeted, so they wouldn't have to be worthless on stuff you won't want a RDM close to the mob on, although it wouldn't be unreasonable for the buffs to receive some sort of bonus for being 'Sphere'd from the RDM who cast them for those times where a RDM can be in AoE without detriment.
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    Expanding on the above post, making Sphere buffs Single-Target (instead of Self-Target), but restricted to one per player (and party-only) makes a lot of sense. It's a different paradigm than BRD and COR's buffs, which stay on each target as long as they were in AoE at time-of-buff but are limited to two at a time (3 for Empyrean BRDs, and apparently upcoming 3 for CORs). Instead, the buff spell is cast once on a party member, and other party members gain the buff when close to that party member, so Sphere buffs are highly-effective when the group being buffed is close together *and will stay close together* for the duration of the event, unlike BRD and COR buffs, where the group only has to be close together once every X minutes for reapplication. When the group is diffuse, our existing single-target buffs would be a better choice. This does nothing to enhance our solo game, so SE shouldn't have any fears in implementing something like it.

    It would allow RDM to Haste Sphere the Tank, <SubtleBlowBuff> Sphere DD1, Enthunder Sphere DD2, Regain Sphere DD3, Refresh Sphere on self (and stand by the WHM). This would free up time for enfeebling on tough stuff, or melee on lower-grade mobs (or whatever else needs to be done).

    This is assuming SE intends to really run with the Enhancing / Enfeebling Master role they outlined in their manifesto, naturally.
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    Aliekber of Carbamesh
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    i think i'd rather the spheres (that what we're calling aura's now?) be self target, in hopes that composure can buff there duration and REALLY take a chunk out of the constant bot-like casting

    or at least not restricted to 1 per player, that way you get the best of both worlds. could composure them onto yourself for duration, or put it on someone else for range.
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