in light of all the payment raging, (( must read ))

[Byrth]

The top suggestion on google (in order of most-searched-for) for Click and Buy is "clickandbuy scam." Here, I went ahead and hit enter for you. They also have an F with the BBB (admittedly, SE also had an F until they paid the BBB to become an accredited business). These are not people you would want to do business with if you could avoid it.

There's no reason to be trying to silence opposition to a billing change on the official forums. Even if they're stubborn and this doesn't change anything, it doesn't take much effort to post and it's our only way to try.

[Korpg]

The top suggestion on google (in order of most-searched-for) for Click and Buy is "clickandbuy scam." Here, I went ahead and hit enter for you. They also have an F with the BBB (admittedly, SE also had an F until they paid the BBB to become an accredited business). These are not people you would want to do business with if you could avoid it.

How come all I see from this are scams that go thru Click and Buy, but not the company itself?

That's the same as blaming MGM for a bad movie.

I can't believe people now. Thanks for showing me this, now I have less faith in people in general than before. Maybe I should blame my grocery store when that new soup doesn't taste good. Or blame Ford when somebody cuts me off. Or blame my electric company when some show comes on and it sucks.

There's no reason to be trying to silence opposition to a billing change on the official forums. Even if they're stubborn and this doesn't change anything, it doesn't take much effort to post and it's our only way to try.

Not silencing anyone. Just telling everyone to put their money where their mouth is. I hate it when people threaten to do something to offset a minor inconvenience.

[MarkovChain]

The top suggestion on google

You are an internet pro (type FFXI, and check where BG is). Noone will quit except for reasons unrelated to this. Unless you have the IQ of a leek, this method takes no longer than what it took to change CC info on the previous POL and is (obviously) safer.

[Rage]

For those people whos comparing/arguing old POL payment is better or new one is better,plz dont forget that people outside of NA EU and JP cant even pay and play anymore becaues if their SE account is set on EU&Other Region like me then the only option to pay is Click and Buy and there are alot of countries they doesnt work with Click and Buy, for those people who agrees the new payment system is better, think about us, we cant even pay thru Click and Buyand we cant play while u guys still can actually pay and continue the service regardless if you guys want to or not, saying the new system is good and easy to you and dont care about others is just making people /rage. :P you dont have problem with the new system doesnt mean other people will be same as u. right right ?

[Selzak]

Rosina (( must read )), in a general sense.

[Jackastheripper]

I think Korpg is just pissed that if everyone quits, he won't have a game to play and therefore a forum to "teach" about the ways of the world. I know I am done when it all switches over for good. If they would have offered paypal as a 3rd party service for exact purchase price, I would stay. I have had bad dealing with click and buy in the past and refuse to do business with them. Not buying crysta because I can't have it reoccur without manually loading it and not exact payment there either. Not loading up my account with crysta that may or may not be used and will, most likely, never be at a 0 balance.

I have looked over many other forums and I think you are underestimating how many people are truly not happy with this decision. I am sure that way more than 50-100 people are going to be quitting over this. You have to take into account that more than a few of them probably have more than 1 account. I have 2 and will be canceling them both. So does a friend of mine who will be canceling all 3 of his. It's not the number of people who are quitting, but the number of accounts that go with em. GG SE.

[Korpg]

I think Korpg is just pissed that if everyone quits, he won't have a game to play and therefore a forum to "teach" about the ways of the world. I know I am done when it all switches over for good. If they would have offered paypal as a 3rd party service for exact purchase price, I would stay. I have had bad dealing with click and buy in the past and refuse to do business with them. Not buying crysta because I can't have it reoccur without manually loading it and not exact payment there either. Not loading up my account with crysta that may or may not be used and will, most likely, never be at a 0 balance.

I have looked over many other forums and I think you are underestimating how many people are truly not happy with this decision. I am sure that way more than 50-100 people are going to be quitting over this. You have to take into account that more than a few of them probably have more than 1 account. I have 2 and will be canceling them both. So does a friend of mine who will be canceling all 3 of his. It's not the number of people who are quitting, but the number of accounts that go with em. GG SE.

You know, the best way to talk bad about a company is to say what they have done to you in the past. You know, instead of saying "I hate this company" it is better to say "I hate this company, and here is why"

Also, I'm flattered that you think I am here teaching people something. That was not my intent, but I'm flattered nonetheless.

Nobody knows how many people will quit over this, except SE. My estimation is based on the number of people who are jumping the bandwagon against Click and Pay and who, I think, will really quit from this. Which we will see a majority of those who quit come back in a couple of months, like we usually do. Past experiences dictate my observations.

[Jackastheripper]

I will say that most of your posts Korpg do have the most thought behind them and I congratulate you on that. They are always well thought out and precise is what I was getting at. You seem to be very dedicated to this game and will do all you can to prove your point with as much research as necessary. For that I applaud you. Seriously. You seem to be one of the few people on here that can discuss things with people, even when they don't agree with you.

This is where I, and more players than I think you realize, are coming from. We (or at least I and quite a few of my other FFXI friends) have stayed with, not so much SE, but FFXI for so long because of the ease and security at which we were able to play the game. It has become less and less easy. Now that is not saying that it was easy (and by that I mean not direct in the least bit once you got inside POL) to get payment options set up, but once it was done, it was done until you had to do something along the lines of change a credit card. It's not easy (any by easy here I mean "no extra necessary steps") to set up multiple other accounts just to get my payment to SE.

I think for a lot of people, this is the last straw in the last line of last straws. With the 99 level cap looming and (already disclosed by SE) no new real content outside of rehashing old areas or adding more stuff to existing ones, what is left? The game is old and, sadly, dying. It had a better run than most. With so many MMO's coming out with so much to offer, it will be hard for FFXI to stand up against them without offering real, new content.

This is the view of one not so casual but also not hardcore FFXI gamer. I have a feeling that I am not the only one who feels this way.

[Hunewearl]

I will say that most of your posts Korpg do have the most thought behind them and I congratulate you on that. They are always well thought out and precise is what I was getting at. You seem to be very dedicated to this game and will do all you can to prove your point with as much research as necessary. For that I applaud you. This is where I, and more players than I think you realize, are coming from. We (or at least I and quite a few of my other FFXI friends) have stayed with, not so much SE, but FFXI for so long because of the ease and security at which we were able to play the game. It has become less and less easy. Now that is not saying that it was easy (and by that I mean not direct in the least bit once you got inside POL) to get payment options set up, but once it was done, it was done until you had to do something along the lines of change a credit card. It's not easy (any by easy here I mean "no extra necessary steps") to set up multiple other accounts just to get my payment to SE.

I think for a lot of people, this is the last straw in the last line of last straws. With the 99 level cap looming and (already disclosed by SE) no new real content outside of rehashing old areas or adding more stuff to existing ones, what is left? The game is old and, sadly, dying. It had a better run than most. With so many MMO's coming out with so much to offer, it will be hard for FFXI to stand up against them without offering real, new content.

This is the view of one not so casual but also not hardcore FFXI gamer. I have a feeling that I am not the only one who feels this way.

I wonder if you even thought about the fact that this new way of paying will allow people to come back to the game. I am mainly talking about people with US accounts but being EU, paying with EU cards, cards that are, for some of them, denied from POL since 2008-2009.
All these people can now pay through ClickandBuy and enjoy FFXI again, and they are many.

That being said, if ClickandBuy was not secure or whatever, it wouldn't be used. 100% safe does not exist but to be used as a mean of payment for FFXIV and now FFXI, it must be pretty close.

FFXI is old, people can't get the same old feeling when playing nowadays, they are merely looking for an excuse to quit, this change is just an excuse to quit, it's not a valid reason.

[Maacha]

I wonder if you even thought about the fact that this new way of paying will allow people to come back to the game. I am mainly talking about people with US accounts but being EU, paying with EU cards, cards that are, for some of them, denied from POL since 2008-2009.
All these people can now pay through ClickandBuy and enjoy FFXI again, and they are many.\

The number of people able to come back will be dwarfed by the number of people forced to quit because they have no way to pay for the game anymore. People who live in countries that cannot purchase Crysta and are not covered by Click&Buy.

That is your regions fault for not hosting the game in the first place.

/facepalm