in light of all the payment raging, (( must read ))

[Arlan]

Would like to say something once more to those who are not against this change and are filling up every thread about it with arguments. (Looking at you, Rosina and Korpg among others)

This change does not affect you.
This change negatively affects other people.
Adding the option to make direct CC payments to SE, alongside the crysta option does not affect you.
Adding the option to make direct CC payments to SE, alongside the crysta option positively affects other people.

People are screaming for a way to directly pay SE with our CC. If SE were to add a method to do this it would have no negative impact whatsoever on you, but would have a positive impact on many. How can you possibily argue against something that doesn't negatively affect you in any way but positively affects many others? It's rediculous.

This is an extremely intelligent Reply.
After reading a few people's posts, including Rosina's, I agree 100% with Noodles355 and I totally understand what she is saying.

This quote from noodles355 not only makes sense, but it gets to the point which I admire.
Sometimes, people like to cause troubles even when it doesn't effect them, generally speaking.
Sometimes people like to start arguments even when it doesn't effect them, generally speaking.

But sometimes, there are people who look at both points of views and realize what effects who and who effects what, then realize what can possibly work to make everyone happy based on compromising.

Its good that people can find ways to work around the system, but that only happens if the system itself fails.
If the system itself fails, then people will find ways around it. If the system is successfuly good, then there is no way people need to find a way around it if it works for everyone's needs.

[malf]

To those wanabee smart like korpg rosina, ilax, please stop trying to convince your point of view is the best and ppl saying they'll quit are simply whinner who should have whatever quit.

My playtime : 1052 days. Started playing august 2007. 11 jobs (8 leveled up before abyssea exists, 1051 merits points). I'm not an hardcore gamer living for ffxi, but only a player who spent days behind ffxi doing nothing, bazaaring, questing, farming, skilling up, doing HLS event, exping.

I'm not addicted as you spending hours to try to give money to SE. If I can't pay easily, I guess I will play now as I'm playing eve online buying credit on demand = nearly never. Because making the choice to pay , and doing almost nothing productive in ffxi, will give me the opportunity to try to do something else more productive.

btw i will not answer to flame discussion about my point of view with narrow minded I want always to have the last word, will not take time for this. You even didn't understand that living with other people means other people CAN have a different point of view, and it's a basic well known rule.

[Hoshi]

So what's up with the first thread showing how much people dislike this new system being deleted? Looks like a thread about paypal is gone too. If SE thinks deleting threads where players are unhappy is going to make the unhappiness go away they've got another thing coming.

[Maacha]

I wonder if you even thought about the fact that this new way of paying will allow people to come back to the game. I am mainly talking about people with US accounts but being EU, paying with EU cards, cards that are, for some of them, denied from POL since 2008-2009.
All these people can now pay through ClickandBuy and enjoy FFXI again, and they are many.\

The number of people able to come back will be dwarfed by the number of people forced to quit because they have no way to pay for the game anymore. People who live in countries that cannot purchase Crysta and are not covered by Click&Buy.

That is your regions fault for not hosting the game in the first place.

/facepalm

[Kraggy]

So what's up with the first thread showing how much people dislike this new system being deleted? Looks like a thread about paypal is gone too. If SE thinks deleting threads where players are unhappy is going to make the unhappiness go away they've got another thing coming.

You mean THIS ONE? http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...116-Add-paypal which currently is alive and well on page one of the forum index?

[MarkovChain]

To those wanabee smart like korpg rosina, ilax, please stop trying to convince your point of view is the best and ppl saying they'll quit are simply whinner who should have whatever quit.

They are.

My playtime : 1052 days. Started playing august 2007. 11 jobs (8 leveled up before abyssea exists, 1051 merits points). I'm not an hardcore gamer living for ffxi, but only a player who spent days behind ffxi doing nothing, bazaaring, questing, farming, skilling up, doing HLS event, exping.

You are hardcore. You are tired of the game (look at your playtime). So you quit. Why would you get mad over changing a paiement methods (that takes roughly 5 minutes) otherwise ¿

[Aver]

They are.



You are hardcore. You are tired of the game (look at your playtime). So you quit. Why would you get mad over changing a paiement methods (that takes roughly 5 minutes) otherwise ¿

You have absolutely no idea what's going on in these threads do you? Have you no reading comprehension?

It's not the payment change. It's the payment OPTIONS. Neither of them are good, nor are they what we want. How is it that every other MMO company has direct billing but square just has to be different and throw us through a third party, all the while leaving its JP members the ability to pay pretty much however they want?

It's terrible business. You'd do well to remember that.

[Kraggy]

Neither of them are good

UltimatePay works fine for me thanks.

[Horadrim]

What is actually is everyone's problem with Click and Buy? It seems like a generic paypal clone to me -- SE trusts them because they are already endorsed by a large number of top end businesses. They can't be *that* "shady" or else there would be a much, much larger outcry about them across the board.

Not saying they don't suck, just saying they can't be nearly as bad as everyone's making them out to be without getting any kind of negative articles out of a google search.

[Aver]

UltimatePay works fine for me thanks.

Congratulations! The rest of us who'd rather not go through a third party and instead pay square directly (with automated billing, no less!) will be over here. ->

(Because regardless of what you think you're doing, you're still going through a third party, and you're still adding extra steps to the process. Kudos to you for wanting to deal with it. I don't.)

What is actually is everyone's problem with Click and Buy? It seems like a generic paypal clone to me -- SE trusts them because they are already endorsed by a large number of top end businesses. They can't be *that* "shady" or else there would be a much, much larger outcry about them across the board.

Not saying they don't suck, just saying they can't be nearly as bad as everyone's making them out to be without getting any kind of negative articles out of a google search.

Banks are blocking CnB. That alone should be enough. My bank (NFCU) sent me a letter of "suspicious activity" that I had to call and clear up. Chase outright blocks it and you have to pull teeth to get it taken care of.

I doubt this is something they'd do lightly/without reason, and that alone is enough for me.