in light of all the payment raging, (( must read ))

[RAIST]

If you feel that way, and I mean honestly feel that way, then I'm sorry for you.

I think that they allow 3D Secure payments for their JP customers is because that is a payment system they are most familiar with. It could also be the one that they get for free, because you think that the 3D Secure system is free to companies? SE already is part of a major corporation in JP, and most, if not all corporations have banks, so they can bypass the 3D secure fee from their bank (charging yourself is silly). Why pass up a free service?

3DS is a feature of the processing system, not a system in and of itself. Sometimes you have to sign up for it yourself through the bank that issues your card--some come with it by default (mine do). It is basically an extra tier in the authentication protocols--kind of like a secret password in addition to the authentication pair. Hence the "3D"--3 components have to match up instead of just the normal to.

Jsecure is on the JCB card accounts and built into their processing by default if I remember right, and a large protion of the bigger processors (especially ones dealing with e-commerce) use it also. So, I seriously doubt SE is paying anything extra to specifically use it. It never even came up when we were dealing with processors, and they deal primarily in ecommerce. It may well be the norm to have the option to enable/disable it in the generic scripts so it's easy for them to rolll out the code to different users depending if they will be doing e-commerce or not. We were dealing with government and e-tail front-ends, so likely OPC and Cybersource just had it all turned on by default.

[Rezeak]

@OP rather than attack ur fellow players, why not present it as a how to guide or w/e would be alot better than calling people idiots.

Either way defend it as much as you like what SE is maybe a step forward but u only need to look at other MMOs to see how it's really done.

For example to most mmos u need only an account and to type ya payment info in (paypal,CC,Game card) and ya read to go.

FFXI u need to register with a 3rd party and Squarenix and playonline to pay for crysta which u then use to pay for ffxi

I do miss the days when companys just took your money lol.

Either way FFXI has had a fail payment system since it started for example restart the game on the last of the month and boom 12.95 for 1 day .... lol

[Niyariko]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post158090



so.....I guess all this "rage" has gotten their attention after all, eh?

And now.... we wait. Will they get a fix in place before the exodus?

And SE better get the direct CC payment option available before Aug 31 or they will see a lot of deactivated accounts.

[Malacite]

Took them long enough to respond.


Well, here's hoping we get either exact crysta amounts, direct registration with SE or Paypal. This is an entirely self-inflicted and unwarranted problem on SE's end. And on that note, I can not help but wonder just what is with all the dick riding some of you are doing.

I've had the game since 03' and it's easily one of my favorites of all time. I don't want to quit, but I just might depending on how things go from here with the coming "adjustments". And if I do leave, well, at least it was fun. But if you're life is so sad that you have to cling to this game even in the face of blatant corporate abuse, then you have far larger issues at hand.

I just hope they enact some form of a refund policy if they allow direct billing for us but don't also reform the crysta option. I want my $4 back SE, as a matter of principal.

[Darkwizardzin]

......................................I just hope that whatever SE plans for this... the playerbase won't rage at whatever they come up with (they made this change for a reason so I don't think they can just do a 180 on it...). More likly then not they will make a comprize with the system that will make it better then it is now...but still have a small downside.

[Modoru]

......................................I just hope that whatever SE plans for this... the playerbase won't rage at whatever they come up with (they made this change for a reason so I don't think they can just do a 180 on it...). More likly then not they will make a comprize with the system that will make it better then it is now...but still have a small downside.

Compromise, you mean? I sincerely hope they do obtain [or think up] a different way of working though a payment, because otherwise, I'm pretty sure most of Puerto Rico will not be available to play unless the sites allow us to, and I'm not too familiar with them.

In relation to the thread starter, I only want to say one thing: If you're going to start a thread commenting on people's attitudes, you need to evaluate your own. You must understand that people aren't just "being adverse to change", they're just being forced out of a reliable [as much as it could be, you know?], timely system; into a new and very counter-intuitive system that simply makes things harder on the player. Once you understand that, don't dismiss every opinion as "raging", "whining" or "crying", and appreciate a different opinion -- don't tell people that they're "wrong" just because YOU disagree with them.

That's all I have to say, until further development shows up.

[Rosina]

@OP rather than attack ur fellow players, why not present it as a how to guide or w/e would be alot better than calling people idiots.

Either way defend it as much as you like what SE is maybe a step forward but u only need to look at other MMOs to see how it's really done.

For example to most mmos u need only an account and to type ya payment info in (paypal,CC,Game card) and ya read to go.

FFXI u need to register with a 3rd party and Squarenix and playonline to pay for crysta which u then use to pay for ffxi

I do miss the days when companys just took your money lol.

Either way FFXI has had a fail payment system since it started for example restart the game on the last of the month and boom 12.95 for 1 day .... lol

i play ffxiv aswell, and honestly like I keep saying, I'm no stranger to what is going on. ffxiv had similar if not twin rage about the same thing. I'm not out to attack, but I've been insult for no reason. Might wanna read the thread more. And the tags.

[Rosina]

to everyone
i'm no stranger to mmos
i'm no stranger to SE fusdging stuff up
i'm no stranger to having to jump through hoops to get payments out
i'm not attack anyone
I'm not defending SE

What I am doing is trying to get ppl to understand, the way your handling this is uncalled for. You guys are being childish. Name calling people because you can't control what SE does? Seriously?

I've only been calling out the behavoir.

Hrere is some food for though about other mmo. Most are not set up how SE is. Most mmo are region based and you pay the regions affiliate (sp?) which goes to the company. Like WoW as an example. NA players pay NA blizzard, while EU players pay EU blizzard.
We all just pay SE who is in japan.
I already set up a ffxiv account and picked my payment method. I just gotta wait till I can tranfer mine since I just re activated a this mnth.

So please do not act like I am new to mmo or SE or this payment. Because I'm not.

Just do not insult or name call others because your angry at a company.

[RAIST]

let he who has not sinned......

YOU were the first one to start insulting the posters in your own thread...at post #4.

And before you go back and edit that so they can't see the errors of your ways, I'll quote it in mine:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post156431

the only utter garbage is the Forum community over stuck astupid reason. Grow a set and learn to deal. There is no use to rage, all you guys are doung is fearing change. Instead of trying it out. Time cards/ point cards are much safer and easier to use. just get a $20 every 2 mnths. No harm or foul. just learn to use them to your advantage,

no one was ever fearing change btw...it is,was, and continues to be about how they are screwing over 2/3 of the world with this move.

Any more disinformation you'd like to spread?

[Revanchist]

Rosina, in the short time since I've registered here, you've made your stance quite well known regarding this payment matter and have stated that you are using the Crysta method as payment. That's your choice and I'm fine with it. However (and I'm trying not to rude or offensive here) calling out other posters like you have, doesn't really make you a good person on the forum. True there are the two options SE has made available, and that's fine... IF you can access either of them.

As I've said in my posts in the other thread about this, crysta and game cards (the two methods SE are using for Non Japanese gamers) aren't available in every country. Crysta hasn't even been legally accepted as a viable payment option in all countries either.... so one wonders why SE decided to go through with this payment option before enabling that crysta is accepted and that gamers all round the world can utilize it.

I honestly hope SE can expand the Direct Debit payment option from Japan to the rest of the world, as that would make the game easier to pay for those without access to Crysta or the gamer cards.

Not to nitpick either... but you say that we all pay SE which is in Japan. That's true, but as with Blizzard, are we not paying the funds directly to SE's regional representatives? Players in NA to SE US. EU (PAL Territories) to Square EU? At least that's what I thought...