in light of all the payment raging, (( must read ))

[Kraggy]

According to some posts on Alla it seems some banks either won't allow you to use C&B while others warn customers they're 'shady' .. whether you believe those people posting that is another matter .. and links to web sites listing problems with C&B have also been posted.

They're also rated F at BBB apparently. Plenty of posts around describing problems people have had in other MMO forums too, such as Lord of The Rings: Online, Turbine have been dealing with C&B for some time now.

[Rosina]

so far you guys are proving me right. Ypu are personally attacking people who are helping you out, because we are flabergasted at the rage. Blind rage is blind rage. Please read my edited thread. Please read beyond the title. If you can't do that simply do not post.

I have every right to post my opinions about what is going on. I find it very childish that those who can use said options are raging. You can be upset and say your peace, but do not do so in a childish mannor.

If you take time to read my thread i'm ONLY addressing those who are blindly raging at the changes who can use them. If you can not use either optiob call SE directly and try to work something out.

If is not the first time people went postal over crysta and click and buy. FFxiv players at first did the same. But no longer do. Most of us are sitting and playing and have our accounts set up ready for when the payment fees start up.

It took me 5 mn to set up my ffxiv account using crysta as a payment option. And addying crysta is easy

[Rosina]

According to some posts on Alla it seems some banks either won't allow you to use C&B while others warn customers they're 'shady' .. whether you believe those people posting that is another matter .. and links to web sites listing problems with C&B have also been posted.

They're also rated F at BBB apparently. Plenty of posts around describing problems people have had in other MMO forums too, such as Lord of The Rings: Online, Turbine have been dealing with C&B for some time now.

then Talk to an SE rep with this info. I think all those things are shady pay pal included. Thats why I like using time orpoint cards to pay for my games instead of a credit or debit account.

[Rosina]

also who ever keeps changing the tags to insult me. Please drop oit. I fixed my post when I was corrected about my info. And fixed it to only address the people who can use the options but still throwing a tantrum. I suggest you look up japanese banking and currency which is partialy why we those outside of japan are not paying SE directly.

not many moo are international, or have international servers. Most are by region. Only difference is playonline was a middleman for us to pay for ffxi. And that is getting phased out. we will only use it as a boot up to play ffxi.

I'm no stranger to mmo changing their billing practices. Or using similar methods to pay. For those who can, get to know your options.
For those who can't, you have my sympathy, please contact SE directly to talk it with them.

[Cream_Soda]

A lot of the complaints are that click and buy is the only direct debit/credit card payment (crysta is not, so not sure what that has to do with them).

Then you have the people who are in countries where they're not even able to buy crysta, even if they wanted to.

Then you have the fact that JP can buy crysta (or directly w/o click n buy) in exact amounts, where we're given amounts that don't add up with our payment.

For example, my $12.95, I'm paying $15/month every month just to have enough crysta until month 5. While it's the same amount, I don't want to have to pay more up front.

[Aver]

Holy lol.

There is no blind rage here. Disappointment and disbelief, sure, but blind rage notsomuch. Some people express it by quitting and making their financial marks, I make it by posting and hoping like hell someone with a few more working neurons than the people who thought this was a good idea notices and fixes the problem.

The problem here is unequal treatment and unfair billing practices. Once again, while it may suit you, and while you may be happy to buy game cards, it does not suit everyone. I'd wager to say it doesn't suit most.

Once again, big picture is big. Self contained bubble of ignorance is apparently bliss.

[Malacite]

OP is showing incredible ignorance/naivete here. Can you really be that callous?

Click & Buy is a far cry from Paypal. First of all, a lot of complaints from the EU users have been about how their banks won't even recognize them, so that nullifies the direct payment option outright, forcing them to buy Crysta which means spending more than the actual monthly fee because we can't purchase crysta in precise amounts.

This is a hassle a lot of us didn't need nor ask for, yet is being forced upon us all the same.

Secondly, as previously cited, is Click & Buy's F rating from the Better Business Bureau, vs PayPal's A+. Never mind that they also tack on all kinds of hidden charges, interest on money transfers to your account (which are mandatory in some cases) and various other complaints that have arisen. So instead of the well known & trusted Paypal, we get this shady group that most of us probably never heard of before - apparently for good reason too. I'm absolutely not comfortable giving these jerkwads my personal & credit information.

Then you have the Japanese, who maintain the option to pay SE easily by directly registering their cards with them. Well, why don't the rest of us have this option? I've yet to see a single good reason - because there isn't one. The sheer lazy, backhanded treatment by SE is unacceptable and clearly will not be tolerated by a good amount of us.

I've paid for about $20 worth of crysta for now, as I've chosen to give SE the benefit of the doubt. But after that I'll only be getting another $10 (effectively covering 2 months but that'll be $4 I'll never see again) if they don't fix this nonsense soon and then that's it. 8 Years of fun & memories coming to a somber end, all because of some very poor management decisions on SE's end.

Even if I did stay, the majority of my friends & LS are rather upset over these changes as well, so why stick around?


We're not all crying here like a bunch of children - rather you are the child trying to act all mature, being indifferent to how this will affect others & judging our respective financial situations.

[Dauntless]

OP is showing incredible ignorance/naivete here. Can you really be that callous?

Click & Buy is a far cry from Paypal. First of all, a lot of complaints from the EU users have been about how their banks won't even recognize them, so that nullifies the direct payment option outright, forcing them to buy Crysta which means spending more than the actual monthly fee because we can't purchase crysta in precise amounts.

This is a hassle a lot of us didn't need nor ask for, yet is being forced upon us all the same.

Secondly, as previously cited, is Click & Buy's F rating from the Better Business Bureau, vs PayPal's A+. Never mind that they also tack on all kinds of hidden charges, interest on money transfers to your account (which are mandatory in some cases) and various other complaints that have arisen. So instead of the well known & trusted Paypal, we get this shady group that most of us probably never heard of before - apparently for good reason too. I'm absolutely not comfortable giving these jerkwads my personal & credit information.

Then you have the Japanese, who maintain the option to pay SE easily by directly registering their cards with them. Well, why don't the rest of us have this option? I've yet to see a single good reason - because there isn't one. The sheer lazy, backhanded treatment by SE is unacceptable and clearly will not be tolerated by a good amount of us.

I've paid for about $20 worth of crysta for now, as I've chosen to give SE the benefit of the doubt. But after that I'll only be getting another $10 (effectively covering 2 months but that'll be $4 I'll never see again) if they don't fix this nonsense soon and then that's it. 8 Years of fun & memories coming to a somber end, all because of some very poor management decisions on SE's end.

Even if I did stay, the majority of my friends & LS are rather upset over these changes as well, so why stick around?


We're not all crying here like a bunch of children - rather you are the child trying to act all mature, being indifferent to how this will affect others & judging our respective financial situations.

I appreciate your effort, but just stop trying. I'm fairly certain Rosina is just trolling us all. If not...I don't even know what to say.

[Zindel]

then Talk to an SE rep with this info. I think all those things are shady pay pal included. Thats why I like using time orpoint cards to pay for my games instead of a credit or debit account.

In all honesty because it is not my job. While I have enjoyed the years I have spent on this game, SE and Final Fantasy is not a large portion of my life. Furthermore if SE management has not done its research in choosing who to partner with (its legal team in knowing who they are dealing with when making a contract to deal with and what it means for their customers) then I doubt I will get through to them anyway.

Will it be sad for me to leave the game? Not really it just the closing of one chapter of my online life as I move into the next.

[Horadrim]

Congratulations! The rest of us who'd rather not go through a third party and instead pay square directly (with automated billing, no less!) will be over here. ->

(Because regardless of what you think you're doing, you're still going through a third party, and you're still adding extra steps to the process. Kudos to you for wanting to deal with it. I don't.)




Banks are blocking CnB. That alone should be enough. My bank (NFCU) sent me a letter of "suspicious activity" that I had to call and clear up. Chase outright blocks it and you have to pull teeth to get it taken care of.

I doubt this is something they'd do lightly/without reason, and that alone is enough for me.

Haven't been dealing with chase very long, have you?

The reason they block it is probably because its a random charge from a foreign country, the likes of which makes them question the validity of the charges. That aside, I've had similar problems with even domestic charges before -- when I first got my new car I had trouble getting my payments through.

I understand the problem now, though, just saying again that its not just CnB.

Weird, though, I never had any problem signing up with CnB for FFXIV -- they did do that verification payment (the little 1 dollar thing) to make sure it'd go through and I never had an issue. I guess since we haven't paid for the monthly sub I can't be overzealous about that working, though.

According to some posts on Alla it seems some banks either won't allow you to use C&B while others warn customers they're 'shady' .. whether you believe those people posting that is another matter .. and links to web sites listing problems with C&B have also been posted.

They're also rated F at BBB apparently. Plenty of posts around describing problems people have had in other MMO forums too, such as Lord of The Rings: Online, Turbine have been dealing with C&B for some time now.

Banks generally don't like random charges from mildly obscure companies from other countries. That's sort of why Paypal came into existence to begin with, isn't it?

There's another option, right? What exactly's wrong with Crysta? In ability to pay specific amounts? What are the amounts you're limited to?