actually, this has been brewing for quite some time now... I began looking into the company last weekend, and that was only after some chatter in game about it.
And that comment about the pimphand is actually a little fatherly advice from someone who HAS done some research on the issues at play here. I have been monitoring the threads all weak without saying a word and finally coudn't take it anymore and had to try to set some of the records straight.
Read the posts. Form an opinion. When someone calls you out on your error and provides proof to back up their claim, don't whine and call them immature and run off for a while, then try to come back and state the same misinformed opinion that has already been countered and go and call people immature again.
THAT is a sign of immaturity... or was that insanity? The process of repeating the same action over and over with the same results and expecting a different result everytime......
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07-29-2011 05:15 PM #132Player
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Rosina - please tell me, how does it make sense to you that we are being forced to pay SE via a 3rd party? How does it make sense that SE makes changes to the payment system that actually will cause them to LOSE customers because they live in an area of the world where these payment options aren't supported?
Not everyone can use Crysta either (I can't, and it's just as well, this Crysta thing sounds UTTERLY dumb to me - buy make-believe money to pay for a game? wtf really?). Then they are being forced to pay using ClickAndBuy which, judging from a hell of a lot of posts here, the majority of the people simply don't trust.
If you are going to fix something that's broken (paying via POL had its hiccups, we all know that), don't "fix" it by substituting it with something that's even worse.
So yeah, I don't blame people for being angry. I'm not liking this change myself, because it makes absolutely no sense that we are unable to pay SE directly using our credit or debit cards.(1)
07-29-2011 05:16 PM #133Q: How will this transfer affect the users who are using a client from a region different from their account's region (i.e. customer living in North America but using Japanese game client)?
A: The transfer will not affect the customers that are using a client from a different region.
In addition, customers will not be required to have the region for their Square Enix account match the region for their PlayOnline account. However, please be aware of the following:
- Customers who currently have a link in place will be required to transfer their PlayOnline account to the Square Enix account it is linked to.
- Payment methods will differ depending on the region of the Square Enix account.
- The currency of fees (i.e. monthly subscription fee, World Transfer Service fee, fee for purchasing registration codes, etc.) will be based on the region for the Square Enix account
- If a customer wishes to register any additional content such as expansions, they will be required to use products from the PlayOnline ID’s region (i.e. customers with a North American Square Enix account will be required to acquire a product from the North American region).
found this is in the faq i hope it helps. anyone one with region issues. If not least I tried(0)
07-29-2011 05:18 PM #134oh, and FYI Rosina, here is a thread started on 7/20 about the new payment options:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post149887
Which, interestingly enough--YOU POSTED IN ON 7/21
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07-29-2011 05:23 PM #135well first off this thread wasn't for those with no options due to region.
Originally Posted by Tamoa
But I am not unfamilur with these forms of payments. I played free to play games that required point cards to pay for addy services. I played games with time cards. I also play on the 360 and very familur wityh how point cards work. And a bit of an fyi, play online was a bit of a third party.
If you think cysta is dum,b you certainly didn't look into it. It can be bought with out using a credit or debit card. For those who do not have a debit or credit account or those leary of freely giving away info.
Like I said I did my research and fixed my thread up to clear any issues. it actually does make sence why those outside the japan can't pay SE. They use different currency then us and have a different way of banking. it is not easy to be an international game. Most games are region based such as wow. ffxi is one of few mmo who are international.(0)
07-29-2011 05:31 PM #136
Originally Posted by Rosina
Apologies for the long quotes, but editing would be doing an injustice to everyone concerned. There it is. It speaks for itself--But I'll add commentary anyway. It's all about the lulz--I'm addicted.
Originally Posted by Rosina
I only wish I had the intellectual simplicity to casually throw away not hours, days, or months, but years of dedication to an endeavor while trivializing my own efforts. I do this all the time. Then again I'm immortal, so time, effort and energy don't mean anything to me, so MMO's are the perfect way to spend eternity. It's a good thing--I'm going after a Mythic.
Rosina, if you're gonna play for SE's team, you need to step up your game. Proofreading helps, as does having one's facts straight before you start a thread. Allow me to demonstrate:
I realize that everyone feels anxious about change, but there's no reason for alarm. Players may still make automatic payments through their credit cards via Clickandbuy. After setting up one's account, there's no more hassle, and players are awarded an in-game item if they register right away! They charge a fee, but it's very small, only 3.7%; only about 50 cents on a basic account. The Chrysta system allows players to pay months in advance if they wish, so they don't have to worry about payments. Chrysta may be purchased through Ultimatepay or Clickandbuy. FFXI customers have more payment options than ever before!
Basically, the first rule of the Square-Enix club is, you do not talk about how some customers can pay directly without going through a 3rd party. The second rule of the Square-Enix Club is...
No really. SE didn't tell this to their NA playerbase; we had to put this together for ourselves.
You feel like you're taking up something unpopular; SE's changes. I admire your courage. I realize you're trying to be informative, and wish to pacify the playerbase's anger. We realize FFXI is not being denied us, there's just new payment options. But we don't find a one of them attractive; we find them dangerous. However much people can be attached to their virtual characters they invested nearly a decade into, they are infinitely more attached to their own bank accounts, and do not give out personal information to every jive talkin' mofo with a net address and purple suit. Mamma didn't raise no fools!(5)
07-29-2011 05:32 PM #137Actually... no, POL was not a third party. It is SE's Database (acquired during the merger), housed on their servers, in their buildings. The POL servers were used to communicate with a clearing house to process all the payments.
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07-29-2011 05:40 PM #138Player
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Bolded part #1: In a roundabout way, yes. Why substitute POL with another 3rd party that's even worse, a 3rd party that has nothing to do with SE at all? Why not make it easier on everybody, including SE, and let us pay them directly.
Originally Posted by Rosina
Bolded part #2: "They use different currency then us" - who is "us" in this case? You realize there are people from a lot of different countries playing this game, right??? Meaning a lot of different currencies - which has never been a problem. And they have a different way of banking? Really? Could you post some proof of that please? Or is that just you guessing?
Starting to think you are some 15 year old who never had a credit or debit card in your own name.(2)
07-29-2011 05:44 PM #139Player
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I love the tags for this thread XP
And no Rosina, it's not fear of change. But that's already been said multiple times. I myself am displeased because of the inconvenience of it, their ally with this shady "Click&Buy", and the discrimination to certain countries. For example, AU players cannot purchase Crysta, while JP customers can still pay their bill directly with a credit card.
It's discrimination at its finest.(2)
07-29-2011 05:59 PM #140Guess we need to provide Rosina with a little more light reading:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157432If you think cysta is dum,b you certainly didn't look into it. It can be bought with out using a credit or debit card. For those who do not have a debit or credit account or those leary of freely giving away info.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157425
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157235Like I said I did my research and fixed my thread up to clear any issues. it actually does make sence why those outside the japan can't pay SE. They use different currency then us and have a different way of banking. it is not easy to be an international game. Most games are region based such as wow. ffxi is one of few mmo who are international.
Oh screw it... just read thorugh the more recent threads on this. I mean actually sit down and read the threads to see the debates that have actually taken place. Nearly every thing has been countered at least once in these threads:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...billing-system
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-way-no-thanks.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ange-(Found-it!)
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