Job Manifesto discussion RE: Summoner

[Secondplanet]

Korpg i see you on these forum especially since i am a summoner. I do agree at some points you have a valid view on things but i do not see you as a great summoner and hear the opposite of your self impression from more people then i can count on Asura.

I don't mean to pick on you but your views on summoner are very narrow and lack more then i can begin to mention, you go on about solo'ing NM's, it isn't that hard to solo anything as summoner. What you and other lack is imagination. Summoner is a job the no way to write a how to manual on, It is up to the player to learn how to play it and for every player that way is different. So you saying that you way is right in any shape or form shows the lack of experience you have with online games.

Summoners do get a bad hand when i comes to updates but that is what makes us stronger and better, we have to work with what we got and we always pull through with no problems. Yes it would be nice to even out all of the avatars so not everyone is running around with garuda (in my opinion she's overused and everyone thinks she the be all end all) but in respect to the other avatars they get effects on their attacks at times that can play a huge way in your favor.

Go ahead and rip on me all you want, i'm not here to prove to anyone nor do i care what others say about my view.

Summoner is the job that is limited by the players imagination.

[Korpg]

Korpg i see you on these forum especially since i am a summoner. I do agree at some points you have a valid view on things but i do not see you as a great summoner and hear the opposite of your self impression from more people then i can count on Asura.

Out of all those people who think negatively about me, how many of them actually see me play? How many of them base their opinion of me from a forum or from second-hand information? You see the difference?

I don't mean to pick on you but your views on summoner are very narrow and lack more then i can begin to mention, you go on about solo'ing NM's, it isn't that hard to solo anything as summoner. What you and other lack is imagination. Summoner is a job the no way to write a how to manual on, It is up to the player to learn how to play it and for every player that way is different. So you saying that you way is right in any shape or form shows the lack of experience you have with online games.

You might have a point if we could have picked one job and forever be that one job for our gaming lives. However, since it is so easy to level on this game now, people can have many different jobs to suit many different types of fights. SMN is not a job that excels at one "main" role, but is a job that excels at a sub role. Why should anyone come as SMN if they are not needed to come as a SMN? For the few people who stick with one job for the rest of their lives, it sucks for them to find a role when that role is filled up, they should adapt instead of staying monochrome in life.

Summoners do get a bad hand when i comes to updates but that is what makes us stronger and better, we have to work with what we got and we always pull through with no problems. Yes it would be nice to even out all of the avatars so not everyone is running around with garuda (in my opinion she's overused and everyone thinks she the be all end all) but in respect to the other avatars they get effects on their attacks at times that can play a huge way in your favor.

That is what separates the people who don't know anything about SMN and those who excel at it. I don't use Garuda exclusively, I don't have any one avatar I use exclusively. I pick my avatar based on the type of fight I'm doing and the type of damage I need to do, not because one looks better than another or one set of moves does great damage on something else.

Go ahead and rip on me all you want, i'm not here to prove to anyone nor do i care what others say about my view.

Summoner is the job that is limited by the players imagination.

Very true.

[Razushu]

Rerail attempt post No.3... maybe it's 4

Does anyone else think this new ability to lower BP delay should be free to use? We already spend MP to use the BP anyway, if we use 2 Predator Claws a minute it would cost us 328MP p/min which would cause us to run out of MP soon enough anyway before we added Wards, causing us to have to manage our MP without needing an additional cost to force it.

[Korpg]

It should be without an additional cost, for the same reason of what you said.

[Razushu]

That didn't last long >.<

[Leonlionheart]

This time, I think I'll ignore it.

I don't think it should cost MP, but maybe HP? Or maybe Avatar recast time?

Like using the ability "shares" a timer with Avatar spells. Shares as in when you use it, it puts the avatar recast up to 30 seconds or something, which would really go along with SE's idea of SMN.

[Razushu]

This time, I think I'll ignore it.

I don't think it should cost MP, but maybe HP? Or maybe Avatar recast time?

Like using the ability "shares" a timer with Avatar spells. Shares as in when you use it, it puts the avatar recast up to 30 seconds or something, which would really go along with SE's idea of SMN.

That would be interesting, I always felt our BPs should involve using our HP in someway.

Avatar recast would be ok, can see it having a negative impact on the user but not completely crippling either.

[Leonlionheart]

You'd just have to think about your situation, and probably only end up using it directly after casting an avatar to make sure you don't experience any downtime. So, balance wise it's not that great of an idea, but at least it's something to go off of.

[Razushu]

You'd just have to think about your situation, and probably only end up using it directly after casting an avatar to make sure you don't experience any downtime. So, balance wise it's not that great of an idea, but at least it's something to go off of.

Maybe it be a cumulative effect of 15~seconds, use it 3 times recast is 75 seconds.

[Leonlionheart]

Maybe it be a cumulative effect of 15~seconds, use it 3 times recast is 75 seconds.

It could be really cool, and a lot more in depth than simple MP cost: 100, BP Recast -15