Dynamis Adjustments - Some Changes That Need To Be Made IMO

[DebbieGibson]

Last I recall, I think I spent something for work. But I can't remember exactly what it was. Let me think real hard. I spent...... blank....... working towards a relic. I think it starts with a T. I spent T___ working towards a relic... Damn I just have no idea what it was. I guess relics really are free after all!

[Sureal]

im done, i think i just felt my brain explode

[Raksha]

im done, i think i just felt my brain explode

He's being a dick about it, but he IS right. Just because something doesn't cost gil doesnt mean it is free.

Primeval brew doesn't cost gil, is it free too?

Opportunity cost is an important concept to understand when discussing these things.

[Arcon]

im done, i think i just felt my brain explode

Some brains can't handle the truth. It's ok, yours isn't the only one.

Everything in this game costs money. Time is money. A very old but very true saying. So if something costs time, it effectively costs you money. If you spend six months farming your relic, you get ~200M worth of currency in that time. So instead of buying the relic you could sell that currency for loads of money. It's interchangeable. It's even interchangeable after, although not legal, by selling your account. There is no such thing as "free effort", everything you invest in costs you something. And that something is money. Even if you only invest time in, it's money.

For example, if you can farm gil faster than you can farm currency in the same amount of time, you can just farm the gil for it and then buy it. So are you saying one way is free and the other way costs you 200M, so it's better to go the long way? Do you think you've earned it more if you've farmed currency instead of farming the money for it, because you just bought it?

Relics aren't free, they're very expensive, no matter how you go about it. If you've farmed every coin and then bought it, you have a potential loss of ~200M. Just because you don't see the gil disappear from your screen, doesn't mean you didn't lose it.

[Kavik]

well Ive done a lot of assault and nyzul isle back then and the maps for that you get for free when entering the area. would be nice to have maps for dynamis and limbus too just by entering the area. I dont think it would affect the game balance in any way

where have you been doing Nyzule Isle? There is no map for nyzule, i entered the day before yesterday and hit map instinctively. "There is no map for this area" i wish there were maps for nyzule isle, i don't really see why there isn't, you could buy it with tokens, running around looking for your partners is silly, especially in a heavily time compressed area, while this is not a particularly large difficulty for veteran players, i dare someone to take in 5 people that have never been in nyzule isle before and try to have them win with no instruction, guidance, or a map. The rest of the assault maps are not free either, they are parts of other maps you have to obtain, such as caedarva mire, arrapago reef, etc.

This being said i don't know why we had to rebuy abyssea maps they're the same maps. We didn't have to buy any of the wings of the goddess maps (except for the ones which zones no longer exist ie Grauberg, which we had to quest).

I agree they should be free or like 1 gil, if you muse make them 'buyable' 500 gil is plenty.

[Mirage]

A relic costs 50k if your time is worth nothing. I don't know about your life, Sureal, but my time isn't worth nothing. My time is worth whatever I can get in forms of other valuables in the same amount of time. For relic farming, this is about 200 million gil.

Feels like high school economics in here!

[Aramachus]

@kavik
youre totally right, I dont know where I had my mind, sure nyzul doesnt have a map, finding the way back to the runic lamp wouldnt be half as annoying in some cases :S
but yeah while assault areas may be parts of other areas, the dynamis areas are exact copies of maps we already have. the comparison with past areas is even better, we have the map so we know our way around there. Its even a case of common sense that if you go into say bastok and you have the map of that city, now you go into a parallel dimension that looks exact the same, you can still look at the same map to find your way around.

[Kavik]

the dynamis areas are exact copies of maps we already have. the comparison with past areas is even better, we have the map so we know our way around there. Its even a case of common sense that if you go into say bastok and you have the map of that city, now you go into a parallel dimension that looks exact the same, you can still look at the same map to find your way around.

Without the text, but yes i totally agree. Also i would like to point out that there are maps of Salvage areas, so why don't we have a map of Nyzul Isle?