Confessions of a Leech

[Leonlionheart]

I have a few questions for the players that think that leeching is bad:

1) Have you ever defeated Genbu?
2) Have you ever defeated Proto-Omega?
3) Do you know where the entrance of Einherjar is?
4) Have you ever defeated Pantokrator without a brew?
5) How many jobs do you have at a previous level cap? 75? 90?
6) Have you ever used a "First Voke" SATA method on any monster above level 80 (Greater Colibri are 83 IIRC)
7) Have you ever not done anything but Penta Thrust spam on any monster above level 85? (bad wording, figure it out)
8th and Final) Did anything you learned in your 3~8 months of getting from level 10 to 75 help you fight against Kirin?

If all of your answers from 1~4 are no, you have no right to talk.

If your answer for 5 was less than 3, you need to go leech god damnit.

If your answers from 6~8 are yes, you are a liar, and need to go have a good talk with your mother, because I'm sure she'd be quite displeased.

[Korpg]

I have a few questions for the players that think that leeching is bad:

1) Have you ever defeated Genbu?
2) Have you ever defeated Proto-Omega?
3) Do you know where the entrance of Einherjar is?
4) Have you ever defeated Pantokrator without a brew?
5) How many jobs do you have at a previous level cap? 75? 90?
6) Have you ever used a "First Voke" SATA method on any monster above level 80 (Greater Colibri are 83 IIRC)
7) Have you ever not done anything but Penta Thrust spam on any monster above level 85? (bad wording, figure it out)
8th and Final) Did anything you learned in your 3~8 months of getting from level 10 to 75 help you fight against Kirin?

If all of your answers from 1~4 are no, you have no right to talk.

If your answer for 5 was less than 3, you need to go leech god damnit.

If your answers from 6~8 are yes, you are a liar, and need to go have a good talk with your mother, because I'm sure she'd be quite displeased.

1. Yes, several hundred times.
2. See answer one.
3. Yes, died to imps too many times.
4. Yes, it was a blast! Best. Fight. Ever.
5. Um... SMN/RDM/BLM/BRD/SAM/WAR at 75. WAR/BLM/SMN/WHM/BLU at 90. So yeah. 6 when the cap turned 80, 5 at the moment.
6. Hell no!
7. Does Raging Rush spam count?
8. Actually, yes. (Back in the day before zergs) When a stupid PLD decided to kite Kirin next to freshly weakened people who were all raised from Astral Flow deathga, and I was the only one out of range, guess who kited with Carby and Garuda to recover and eventually get the win.....and the wind crystal to drop! If it wasn't for the fact that I soloed my SMN by blowing up bombs instead of being a gimp WHM, that would have been a wipe instead of a recovery.

So Leon, how did I fair in your Cosmo Quiz?

[Octaviane]

1 - Genbu defeated so many times, not even funny.
2 - Proto - Omega defeated many times over and Proto - Ultima
3 - Hazhalm Training Grounds - Caedarva Mire close to the Graveyard with Orderly Imps, Skeletons and Chigoes.
4 - No
5 - 4 jobs at 75 and one at 72 prior to the introduction of Abyssea - After? 5 jobs at 90 and one at 77 (BLU) which was not leeched - levelled in the traditional manner.
6 - No - but have pre 75
7 - Don't have Dragoon levelled, nor polearm skilled on any job that can use it.
8 - Yes, I learned how to maximize and utilize my skills and gear learned and earned to be a part of a team that could bring Kirin down in a 14 member, 69 second Kirin burn. This before level 90 of course and some members not yet 75.

Just because people don't personally leech, doesn't mean they know and have done nothing outside of Abyssea. Still want to call them liars?

[cidbahamut]

You support your argument beautifully.

I figured it was pretty self evident. A chorus of five strangers chirping "grats" at you for every level from 11 to 75 strikes me as rather insincere. The only time leveling up counts for anything is when you hit the level cap on your first job, after that it's really not important enough to warrant mention, much less genuine congratulations.

It was dumb when I was clawing my way up to 75 and it's just as dumb now that the level cap is 90. The significance of leveling up has not changed, just the speed with which it can be done.

[Kwate]

For ages players bitched and complained about the exp grind. Then on top of that you had pt politics, try getting an invite as BLU, MNK, DRK, etc. It was time consuming....merit pts you can forget it. I like abyss, GOV style as it takes alot of the job prejudice out of the equation as well as very time efficient. You can have an epic alliance with every job on the game (as long as the categories are semi-balanced), now its just categories, DD, healer, Nukes.

I leeched a few jobs 30-90, but I'm taking the time to skill-up and learn about said jobs thru soloing, experience and reading thru forums. I think the player base has earned this, and I will definitely take full advantage of it. Even before abyss, you had people finding work arounds, via SMN burns, PL, etc.

So for the people who don't "support" GOV or "leeching" I suppose you never been PL'd or in a SMN burn. To say no to those I would call BS.

[Leonlionheart]

1 - Genbu defeated so many times, not even funny.
2 - Proto - Omega defeated many times over and Proto - Ultima
3 - Hazhalm Training Grounds - Caedarva Mire close to the Graveyard with Orderly Imps, Skeletons and Chigoes.
4 - No
5 - 4 jobs at 75 and one at 72 prior to the introduction of Abyssea - After? 5 jobs at 90 and one at 77 (BLU) which was not leeched - levelled in the traditional manner.
6 - No - but have pre 75
7 - Don't have Dragoon levelled, nor polearm skilled on any job that can use it.
8 - Yes, I learned how to maximize and utilize my skills and gear learned and earned to be a part of a team that could bring Kirin down in a 14 member, 69 second Kirin burn. This before level 90 of course and some members not yet 75.

Just because people don't personally leech, doesn't mean they know and have done nothing outside of Abyssea. Still want to call them liars?

I got you with 6, that's my point. You do that a lot pre 75 (Assuming non-ToAU content), but never on anything end-game.

TP burns are hard yo, you're proving my point. There's no real "Team Play" in TP burns that you would've learned in traditional 6man parties from 10~75. It's just 100 TP, WS. Berserk, WS. Warcry, WS. This has nothing to do with the Tank and Spank methods of PLD THF WAR RDM BLM WHM parties.

Nothing you learned 1~75 couldn't be learned at level cap. Come play with me on DRG, my newest leeched 90, and I'll show you.

If you want to be good, you will be. No matter what method you took to 90. All it takes is a bit of research.

[Leonlionheart]

1. Yes, several hundred times.
2. See answer one.
3. Yes, died to imps too many times.
4. Yes, it was a blast! Best. Fight. Ever.
5. Um... SMN/RDM/BLM/BRD/SAM/WAR at 75. WAR/BLM/SMN/WHM/BLU at 90. So yeah. 6 when the cap turned 80, 5 at the moment.
6. Hell no!
7. Does Raging Rush spam count?
8. Actually, yes. (Back in the day before zergs) When a stupid PLD decided to kite Kirin next to freshly weakened people who were all raised from Astral Flow deathga, and I was the only one out of range, guess who kited with Carby and Garuda to recover and eventually get the win.....and the wind crystal to drop! If it wasn't for the fact that I soloed my SMN by blowing up bombs instead of being a gimp WHM, that would have been a wipe instead of a recovery.

So Leon, how did I fair in your Cosmo Quiz?

I think you really proved my point with all of that o.O I was aiming 8 toward party play, so the whole solo SMN thing helps prove my point indirectly.

Obviously the ones who don't feel they would do well on the test won't post about it.

[Teraniku]

I have a few questions for the players that think that leeching is bad:

1) Have you ever defeated Genbu?
2) Have you ever defeated Proto-Omega?
3) Do you know where the entrance of Einherjar is?
4) Have you ever defeated Pantokrator without a brew?
5) How many jobs do you have at a previous level cap? 75? 90?
6) Have you ever used a "First Voke" SATA method on any monster above level 80 (Greater Colibri are 83 IIRC)
7) Have you ever not done anything but Penta Thrust spam on any monster above level 85? (bad wording, figure it out)
8th and Final) Did anything you learned in your 3~8 months of getting from level 10 to 75 help you fight against Kirin?

If all of your answers from 1~4 are no, you have no right to talk.

If your answer for 5 was less than 3, you need to go leech god damnit.

If your answers from 6~8 are yes, you are a liar, and need to go have a good talk with your mother, because I'm sure she'd be quite displeased.

Let's see...

1.) yes
2.)yes
3) yes Hazhalm Training grounds, West Exit from Nashmau and the rest what Octoviane said. (Also have my Morgana's Choker to prove it)
4) no but then I don't spend much time in Abyssea anyway. (Don't have the time)
5) 2 and same 2 @90 (PLD and WHM)
6) no
7) No DRG only lvl 20, and learning to fight Kirin takes skill building in other end game events learning how to kite, zerg, tank etc,

[Leonlionheart]

@_@ 7 is rhetorical, really. It's a bad one, because, as has been pointed out, TP burn does happen in end game (though obviously not exactly like Bird Meripos.)

[Teraniku]

You should add to your list:

8) How many of the games storylines have you completed?

Storyline (What's been completed or done)

-3 Nation Rank (Windy, Sandy)

-3 Nation Quest (WotG) (Sandy)

-Zilart (Done)
Apocalypse Nigh (Done)
-CoP (Done)

ToAU (Done)

WotG (Done)

Abyssea (Done) (Defeated Shinryu) (Don't have Atma of the savior)

ACP (Done)

AMKD (Done)

ASA (haven't finished yet)