Confessions of a Leech

[Asymptotic]

There's nothing fun or educational about killing 10000 crabs and 900000 Colibri. Abyssea XP isn't fun either, but at least you're done with it quickly.

[Meyi]

There's nothing fun or educational about killing 10000 crabs and 900000 Colibri.

This.

I find Abyssea exp to be enjoyable if I'm actually leveling up. Capped exp and capped merits makes it boring.

[brayen]

exping is the worse, if you can manage to get a leech spot more power to you, personally i wont let anyone i dont know leech and never did the leeching so really idk how ppl get into the pt lol

and as others stated, you don't learn anything doing it "the old fashioned way" what matters is that ppl who do get to 90(at least in my eyes) learn what the job can do and how to play it to the best of your abilities and are willing to play it. Nothing bugs me more then someone unwilling to change jobs to a job they just burned and bragged about it day and night yet unwilling to learn or play it

[Juri_Licious]

With the logic in this thread, we should automatically start out at max level.

[Reiterpallasch]

With the logic in this thread, we should automatically start out at max level.

Agreed! Gimps will be gimp no matter how fast/slow they get to max lvl. A good player can learn the job whether they start from the bottom and grind to the top, or are simply handed a lvl 90.

[Dragoy]

One might compare leveling afk to botting, since one would not be actually playing the character.
Basically it is the same thing, just not by using third party software.

To make a few things clear, I am not accusing anyone of cheating here, or speaking of anyone in particular.
I'm merely playing with the thought of leveling up a character while being afk and not actually even playing the game.

I am actually a little bit surprised that the game does not have a feature that would halt any kind of progress of levels be it skill or experience points if the character would not perform any actions for a certain amount of time.
Some other games (not surprisingly) do.

In the end, I do not care how other people play, at all.
If I did care about every cheater and 'flamer' and such, I would probably go crazy.
Instead, I leave them be, and enjoy my time as I please, instead of wasting my effort and time for anything else. ^^

I personally do not like 'leeching', and I have actually gained a few levels at 71 to 75 I think for my Thief one night with a 'cleave-party', and I was actually afk that time too, sleeping.
I did lure monsters to under the cleave for uhhh, 8-13 hours I think? With a level 90 character no less, basically getting only cruor from it, so I didn't feel bad at all for getting some experience points for another job as an 'end-reward'.

So no, I don't judge people for 'leeching' or tell them they are baaaad and suck at the game because of it.
I would probably vote for a higher level limit for Abyssea, definitely, and would agree to a non-leechosure (a what now) agreement, and would not complain about it not being possible anymore.


Oh, and I also have helped a friend or few at times by killing things for Dominion for example, no matter what level they are at (usually 60+ I think), and leveling up them this way. They never were afk though, and did do what they could.

I don't really mind this kind of a development of the game, but I do miss the regular partying a little bit even though I never really did it much at all, mostly before the Fields of Valor was introduced. I only ever had like 3 parties at the ToaU areas for example, mostly leveling in Campaign after level 60 or so, and before that, lots of FoV... lots.


But I'm probably rambling now, so here's a short version and the end:

Afk-leveling is a bit hmmm, I rather play the game myself, than let others play it for me, but I do not judge or really care at all if other players do it. I don't estimate their experience on the game-content or their skills to play the game by it either.
That said, I am not for it, nor exactly against it... I guess I just don't care. :F

I wouldn't probably allow it in my game, though.

[Zagen]

One might compare leveling afk to botting, since one would not be actually playing the character.
Basically it is the same thing, just not by using third party software.

To make a few things clear, I am not accusing anyone of cheating here, or speaking of anyone in particular.
I'm merely playing with the thought of leveling up a character while being afk and not actually even playing the game.

I am actually a little bit surprised that the game does not have a feature that would halt any kind of progress of levels be it skill or experience points if the character would not perform any actions for a certain amount of time.
Some other games (not surprisingly) do.

As far as I know and everyone I've ever spoken to about "botting" the term is used for/defined as using a script/program to automatically do a given task(s) for you, as you're using real people to get the exp that would not be "botting", while similar in the out come they are different due to the difference between a script/program and a human being.

I've been a leech and I play/gear those jobs better than a large portion of the player base.

I also run leech parties, I take no responsibility for a bad player, it is their choice on how they play their game, if they want to leech and then actively refuse to learn how to properly play the game by not skilling up relevant skills, not buying needed spells, etc. That is their decision and not mine.

I don't care how a random player gets a job up to 90 as long as they know how to play that job who cares? Gimps have and will always exist that is a fact.

[Panthera]

I figured it was pretty self evident. A chorus of five strangers chirping "grats" at you for every level from 11 to 75 strikes me as rather insincere.

So what does familiarity have to do with sincerity?

The only time leveling up counts for anything is when you hit the level cap on your first job, after that it's really not important enough to warrant mention, much less genuine congratulations.

No. Getting to 75 on princess jobs back in the day was "easier," but it still took a great deal of tenacity. Even with good setups and statics, not everyone made it to 75. I can tell you that much for a fact. Without statics, recall the patience it took to seek on unpopular jobs till one got a party, wade through parties of varying strengths, and contested camps. And before level-sync, it was worse! Getting to 75 wasn't just cause for congratulations, it was nigh miraculous. And not merely just the first time, but having that kind of fortitude was praise-worthy every time.

And what's more, you couldn't simply go AFK the entire time.

[Panthera]

So for the people who don't "support" GOV or "leeching" I suppose you never been PL'd or in a SMN burn. To say no to those I would call BS.

Never done AFB, and I refuse PL parties, and if I have lead, I've enforced that position.

[Zagen]

No. Getting to 75 on princess jobs back in the day was "easier," but it still took a great deal of tenacity. Even with good setups and statics, not everyone made it to 75. I can tell you that much for a fact. Without statics, recall the patience it took to seek on unpopular jobs till one got a party, wade through parties of varying strengths, and contested camps. And before level-sync, it was worse! Getting to 75 wasn't just cause for congratulations, it was nigh miraculous. And not merely just the first time, but having that kind of fortitude was praise-worthy every time.

It took me 2 years on my first character to hit 75, not because the grind was hard, not because the exp amount were very high compared to today, but because I had Job A.D.D. in those 2 years I had 12 jobs lvl 40+. Nothing in this game prevented a player from being able to hit level 75 even on a job that wasn't loved, the only difference was some jobs/players got to level caps faster because they were sought after and/or didn't have bad reps (assuming the leader even cared about reputation).