Blue: 3 procs | Red: 3 procs | Yellow: 3 procs.

[Raxiaz]

Monster is spawned on Earthday. Under the current system the yellow proc will be either Fire, Earth, or Water based.

1 proc should be fire.
1 proc should be earth.
1 proc should be water.

Hitting all 3 procs grants maximized bonuses to rewards from victory.

Red Procs should follow the same kind of pattern, having 3 different possible elements to proc. Creating a WS under the "water" element would help with this.

And of course blue should follow suit. This is even more beneficial because with 3 different possible WSs that can proc, there is no need for "WAR or NIN onry" procing. There is more incentive (and reason) to invite more than one or two procers.

Just my two cents. Hopefully future procing systems won't follow this same kind of pattern or rule. But making the current abyssea proc system more generalized (and flexible) is a win-win situation, IMO.

Thoughts, criticisms, witticisms or rebuttals? Have at it.

[Leonlionheart]

Blue is already set into special groups; piercing blunt and slashing.

Only 3 weapons in Blunt, 4 in piercing, and who the hell would ever try slashing.

IDK I'm really tired of procs. I prefer going ape-sh!t from the start like I do during Empyrean Weapon building. Much more enjoyable than waiting for something.

It was good when it was new, and it was just a bonus if you got lucky. Now that everyone knows everything about it, it's not so great.

[Tagrineth]

Red Procs should follow the same kind of pattern, having 3 different possible elements to proc. Creating a WS under the "water" element would help with this.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Blade:_Yu

[Raxiaz]

I stand corrected. Adding Blade: Yu to the red proc list would be good enough.

And blue procs would function like this:

Mob spawned/claimed during blunt time. There's 3 weapons. Meaning 1 WS from each weapon can be used to proc. 3/4 for piercing and 3/7 for slashing.

Addendum: I can't help but feel Leon's bashing on the player base with his first comment in this topic. Now that everyone knows everything about procing, it's not so good any more? What are you... daft? Just kidding, but really.

Everyone knowing everything about it is a GOOD thing. Yes, it's bad that it boils down to "BLM, WAR, NIN" being the 3 main procing jobs. That's why I say generalize it! Make it so that bringing a RDM in the place of a BLM still gives you a relatively decent chance at procing, even if it's just 1 of the 3 procs.

[Dallas]

IDK I'm really tired of procs. I prefer going ape-sh!t from the start like I do during Empyrean Weapon building. Much more enjoyable than waiting for something.

I knew you would understand "LOLWAR." Ya could have said so...

[Alhanelem]

IDK I'm really tired of procs. I prefer going ape-sh!t from the start like I do during Empyrean Weapon building. Much more enjoyable than waiting for something.

It was good when it was new, and it was just a bonus if you got lucky. Now that everyone knows everything about it, it's not so great.

So totally this.

[Leonlionheart]

I stand corrected. Adding Blade: Yu to the red proc list would be good enough.

And blue procs would function like this:

Mob spawned/claimed during blunt time. There's 3 weapons. Meaning 1 WS from each weapon can be used to proc. 3/4 for piercing and 3/7 for slashing.

Addendum: I can't help but feel Leon's bashing on the player base with his first comment in this topic. Now that everyone knows everything about procing, it's not so good any more? What are you... daft? Just kidding, but really.

Everyone knowing everything about it is a GOOD thing. Yes, it's bad that it boils down to "BLM, WAR, NIN" being the 3 main procing jobs. That's why I say generalize it! Make it so that bringing a RDM in the place of a BLM still gives you a relatively decent chance at procing, even if it's just 1 of the 3 procs.

That's not what I was saying at all. I was saying that when people thought that yellow wasn't REQUIRED to get a drop and that it was just an added bonus for getting lucky, it was better than it is now. Now it's just "Need BLM" "No don't nuke, just proc and go away." "You didn't proc? Do it again." "Ok they were all clean but no proc, do them again" "Your actual nukes aren't proccing anything, stop using Blizzard V." I say that stuff to people all the time, not the go away part but still.

I think procs should be more like TH procs, random but there is a chance of getting it when you do a specific action. Voidwatch's system is much better than Abyssea's

[Leonlionheart]

I knew you would understand "LOLWAR." Ya could have said so...

I still don't understand your point... WAR being the premier job, absolutely crushing all other DD...

I don't understand how it differs from LOLSMN in that case, which would be the same situation if you are going strictly for damage (Like you said, keeping one avatar out at all times to reduce casting time to not lower your dps with your lolstaff). In which case you are just zerging, on a job that is meant for the opposite of zerging, hateless riskless damage.

Except SMN doesn't even have the utility of procs.

But please, everywhere you go doesn't have to be a melee smn discussion

[Tagrineth]

The problem with how things were before yellow trigger was understood better, was that seal farming sucked at that time because it was just assumed that any NM kill would only drop maybe 1-2 seals ever.

I personally take it a step farther and won't seal farm unless I have a BLM and THF. <_< because 3-4 seals per kill is much, much, much, much, MUCH better than 0-1.

[Leonlionheart]

Well considering that even +1 gear is better than some of the absolute best gear at 75, the difficulty would comply with FFXI's previous record of being HORRIBLY long to accomplish the smallest tasks.

Yellow, Blue, Red being 100% certain on the mob is what makes Abyssea gear obtainable by trolls like Chyula (you would know him from Asura as being the guy who charges 5mil for you to use your Rani pop for him to brew and kill, and he still takes the earring AND the ring.) It's what a lot of veteran players loved about FFXI, exclusive gear that not every noob could obtain. I like Abyssea, but sometimes I wish not everyone could get an Ukon.