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    Player Meyi's Avatar
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    BLM Lv 99
    Well Rosina, it seems my post was skipped, so I'll just say it again; it's really easy to chat and have fun in today's parties. Even more so than it use to be! People don't have to focus as vigorously as they had to in the past, and in general, it seems a lot more people are laid back and accepting the game as a game meant to have fun. So get out there and chat away!
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    Player Ravenmore's Avatar
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    Ravenns
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meyi View Post
    Well Rosina, it seems my post was skipped, so I'll just say it again; it's really easy to chat and have fun in today's parties. Even more so than it use to be! People don't have to focus as vigorously as they had to in the past, and in general, it seems a lot more people are laid back and accepting the game as a game meant to have fun. So get out there and chat away!
    Thats what I was trying to say, now it doesn't matter much its far more lay back if you not geared to the gils it won't effect exp you can chat all you want no one will get mad. For mages its far less stress making sure all the melees have haste you managing your MP so you have as little down time as possible and at the end of the party your not totally drained. I haven't seen a true fake D/C in a long time in a long time.

    I focus on all the times a party never left town or took a hour just to find members only to be pushed out of a camp or drop out of a party when they pulled that. Now camps can surport 2 allis in abyssea at one camp. Thats double all 3 of the bird camps put together. Lower level camps could only surport one maybe 2 parties good luck trying to get 5 other people to try some were else or if they had that area. Even now you need fewer healers for 18 people to level in low level book burns. 1 whm and a back up healer is enough to cover a whole alli or a few of the DDs are /dnc and can take care of them selfs.There always been far more dds then healers so having the few cover the most is good way to keep jobs from getting pushed out of exp cause their not the best DD for exp.
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    Player Malamasala's Avatar
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    People avoid low levels because there is so little to do there.

    You are a level 50 SMN... what can you do? Hardly anything.
    You are a level 30 NIN... how's tanking working for you? Not so well I'd guess.
    You are a level 35 COR... enjoying to shoot bullets that do no damage but cost a fortune? Probably not.

    I'd have no problems playing any job at level 1, had I all my JA/JT/spells. Level doesn't matter at all, only how many actions per minute I can do.
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    Player Rosina's Avatar
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    ah ok. i really do not want an opinion debate. more to get ppls personal opinions. on why is speed levelong good. Not really why it is like that. I know the why. I've been playing this game on and off for years.

    And My pov is i never had s great experience with any of these things I mentioned. And I have my own personal onpions on the effects of it. Not that I'm going to share for fear of being hated, insulted and the like.
    More or less i'm trying to learn why it is good and get use to the speed leveling. I just wish I had a better experience with this stuff. And play how I like as well.
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    Player Neonii's Avatar
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    Tedra
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    Valefor
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    SMN Lv 90
    The reason for speed leveling from my point of view is, it was pretty much all that was available. I remember my first dunes party was a group of folks power leveling their alts. I did not want to be a ploob so I mostly used fov and campaign to level my character. I read a lot of guides. I was in the low 70's when the first level cap raise came in and for the first time I was able to find a party regularly as folks started the race to 80.

    Ploob=power leveled noob (a person with a high leveled character which was power leveled leaving them clueless as to how to play it). This term was popular on my last online game.
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    Last edited by Neonii; 07-21-2011 at 11:01 PM.

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    Player Zatias's Avatar
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    Zatias
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    I dislike speed leveling on jobs I enjoy; I like to see it gradually build in strength. Good thing I lvled my 4 favorite jobs this way XD Any other jobs that I need to lvl as a sub but don't enjoy playing, speed level away. That's where most of the speed leveling's appeal came from. That or the need to feel accepted in Abyssea by having a Proc job leveled.
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    Player Hoshi's Avatar
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    I don't think that power leveling was such a bad thing. For my first few jobs back when the game was new finding a group with a tank and a healer really wasn't difficult and if you had a blm you were set. As the game got older finding a good healing job and a good tanking job looking for group at your level became much more difficult (we'll skip the part where blms weren't needed any more). It got to the point where you needed a high level outside healer to serve as both tank and healer (or at least dedicated healer) in order to build working parties. They added level synch and that helped a bit but it was still hard to find the right job combo and so having an external healer made that search easier.

    Page burns are a further response to the lack of low level jobs which shouldn't come as a surprise in a game this old. Most people were nearly out of jobs under 37 well before abyssea came out and out of jobs under 49 by a month after the level increase to 99 was announced. I'm sure people still have the odd job that needs to be leveled but it's hard to make a viable party with a bunch of 2nd string DDish support jobs and a pet job or two. It's easier once you're in an ally (increasing the chance that you might find a healer who needs xp or someone with an alt account to cure the group externally).

    As far as old school leveling being fun: my first job to 75 with my static of friends was great fun for a while. We met every night and had a wonderful time together until 3 of them quit the game at level 60. Leveling in pickup groups was a crap shoot. Sometimes I joined a fun group but most of the time I joined a group with at least 1 player who was determined to insult the entire party or played in such a manner that they got the whole group killed repeatedly or they went afk constantly and slowed our xp/hour to an unbearable speed. And lets not forget about battling other groups for the same camp even if you were there first and killing at a reasonable pace. I think page burns are a refreshing change.
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    Player chubrocka's Avatar
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    Chubrocka
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    Leviathan
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    PUP Lv 90
    2 things, SKILLS can I have it please, and Over all job player knowledge. These are gone. take this, we all see it, dude new to our LS has more level 90 jobs then I do and never passed rank 5 in one city, took to abby party and cant hit anything. Nuff said.
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    Going strong since 2004
    PUP the red headed bastard stepchild of SE
    FORUM MAKERS NEED TO GIVE US OUR MUCH NEEDED "PM" ABILITY

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    Player Leonlionheart's Avatar
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    Leonlionheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by chubrocka View Post
    2 things, SKILLS can I have it please, and Over all job player knowledge. These are gone. take this, we all see it, dude new to our LS has more level 90 jobs then I do and never passed rank 5 in one city, took to abby party and cant hit anything. Nuff said.
    I burned WHM 30-90 in 6 hours. I play it better than 90% of the WHM mains I've pugged in Abyssea.

    Old fashioned EXP =/= learning
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    Player Tsuneo's Avatar
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonlionheart View Post
    I burned WHM 30-90 in 6 hours. I play it better than 90% of the WHM mains I've pugged in Abyssea.

    Old fashioned EXP =/= learning
    I don't know why people keep saying that leveling in a fast manner creates gimps. Initially of course your skills will be under leveled, but any player worth anything will have no problem overcoming that. If someone doesn't fix that situation than they were most likely going to be gimp even if they did it the old fashioned way.
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