[DEV1234]Lift the delay/haste cap

[Yugl]

This has nothing to do with gearing for Abyssea assuming you're doing it right.

When fSTR, dDEX, ACC, and ATK for some jobs with food/JAs are all capped because of Cruor and/or Atma you gear very differently than you would when any of those aren't true, and drastically different when none of those are true.

Yes doing Abyssea gets you some of the best gear in the game at the moment. That doesn't mean that the gear that is the best inside abyssea is the best outside of it.

Using your "ACC is capped inside abyssea" comment, would you do Voidwatch with 0 ACC in gear because that works inside Abyssea?

While new content requires more accuracy, food resolves most of these issues. Other than that, there aren't many situations where you're sacrificing less than 25% Haste options for accuracy. Furthermore, if these NMs are as difficult to melee as you're suggesting (I've only participated in new content as a mage, but the melee don't seem to have the accuracy issue you're suggesting arises; i.e. 80% or less), then I imagine they're receiving bard buffs, which will inevitably increase the utility of haste either through stacking delay reduction or covering massive accuracy deficits.

[Zagen]

While new content requires more accuracy, food resolves most of these issues. Other than that, there aren't many situations where you're sacrificing less than 25% Haste options for accuracy. Furthermore, if these NMs are as difficult to melee as you're suggesting (I've only participated in new content as a mage, but the melee don't seem to have the accuracy issue you're suggesting arises; i.e. 80% or less), then I imagine they're receiving bard buffs, which will inevitably increase the utility of haste either through stacking delay reduction or covering massive accuracy deficits.

Not everyone has a pocket COR or BRD for buffs. If you can't rely on a BRD or COR to compensate for any issues a melee would have I'd hope they'd rework their gear to compensate.

Also 80% isn't a fixed number it was just the accepted number in the past that needed to be attained before you should look into Haste from gear.

As to food you're right that does help but pizza isn't the solution for every situation, sometimes you want/need more ATK, STR, DEX, sTP, or ACC and need to gear to compensate.

I'll say it again "Gear is Situational" if you want to strive to be the best you look at multiple gear options for a given situation and don't just settle for 1 blanket gear set.

[Yugl]

Not everyone has a pocket COR or BRD for buffs. If you can't rely on a BRD or COR to compensate for any issues a melee would have I'd hope they'd rework their gear to compensate.

Also 80% isn't a fixed number it was just the accepted number in the past that needed to be attained before you should look into Haste from gear.

As to food you're right that does help but pizza isn't the solution for every situation, sometimes you want/need more ATK, STR, DEX, sTP, or ACC and need to gear to compensate.

I'll say it again "Gear is Situational" if you want to strive to be the best you look at multiple gear options for a given situation and don't just settle for 1 blanket gear set.

The argument is de facto. Given the melee I play (DRG, BLU, and more recently, MNK), I don't see any major ACC > Haste situations you wouldn't want to resolve via food. DEX deficit only matters for dDEX sets, which may become relevant in the future, but have become obsolete since the introduction of Abyssea and the steady drive away from Colibri (And only WAR were able to attain that luxury then because they could cap haste while making the necessary gear changes). I didn't imply that people have pocket BRDs; however, if the content is as difficult to melee as he is describing, BRD is an invaluable member, so you're damaging yourself by not bringing one.

[Zagen]

BRD is an invaluable member, so you're damaging yourself by not bringing one.

I don't disagree the point is if BRD or COR isn't an option then gear is which is why blanket statements like "Haste > All" are flawed.

You mentioned BLU now I'm curious do you gear your BLU for melee inside Abyssea the same way for Voidwatch? I'm assuming you're doing Voidwatch as that is the only current content outside of Abyssea that matters at the moment.

[Yugl]

I don't disagree the point is if BRD or COR isn't an option then gear is which is why blanket statements like "Haste > All" are flawed.

You mentioned BLU now I'm curious do you gear your BLU for melee inside Abyssea the same way for Voidwatch? I'm assuming you're doing Voidwatch as that is the only current content outside of Abyssea that matters at the moment.

I always understood "Haste > All" as a exaggerating the importance of haste. I don't have stats on VW monsters and, as mentioned earlier, I've only participated as a mage (Specifically, SCH). Hence, I haven't built my set for VW on BLU, but I do have macros ready for when I do. Previous statements come from witnessing other melees participating in VW.