[DEV1234]Lift the delay/haste cap

[Zagen]

Being aware of the effects of stats and actually using those stats are two entirely different things.

Which is my whole point. Haste comes before everything else. No gear setup that doesn't include 26% haste or the maximum you can obtain whilst still having good accuracy can be or will ever be accepted for general purpose activity, largely because until Abyssea came along, no piece of gear that had more than 1-2% haste had much in the way of any other stats.

If you raise the maximum, the only thing that will change is the number of pieces of gear that people will have to devote to haste.

If haste on gear were eliminated, you would see a lot more diversity in the equipment worn by players. Accuracy is usually available together with other stats like STR and Attack, for instance.

Removing haste creates no diversity... just because you remove haste from the equation doesn't mean everything else gets randomized.

I'll give you an outdated example but its the only one I can think of without doing a ton of math to compare gear options.
Hachiman Kote > Dusk Gloves if it dropped your X-hit at 75. Knowing which stats will help better in a given situation and how to adapt gear will show you that "Haste/ACC > All" still isn't the end all be all answer.

[Alhanelem]

Oh no, capping Haste obviously means that all other stats are worthless. Right.

YOu keep on saying this and saying this, but that's not what I'm saying. Haste is the MOST important, not the ONLY important thing.

[Alhanelem]

Edit: You're incorrigible. Throw around generalizations all you like. Capping Haste first may not always be the best way to go as the game stands right now. It takes a good player who actually gives a damn to tell the difference. Thing is? Capping Haste just isn't that hard anyways.

Personal attacks for the loss.

You may not realize this, but very few jobs could so easily cap haste before Abyssea; those that gained the ability to still need it all over their gear in order to cap it.

It's nice to hear you say that other stats can beat haste in some circumstances, but the fact is haste is still better for most DDs most of the time. You really don't think that's a problem or a poor design decision?

[Greatguardian]

I absolutely do not. And this is not before Abyssea. This is after Abyssea. And Haste is not hard to cap.

If Haste wasn't the most important stat, what would be? Accuracy? Attack? Something is always going to find a way to become the "most important" stat. Otherwise, we may as well just stack whatever gear has the highest numbers on it. All stats equal, Byakko's Haidate would be pretty awesome with +20 on them.

[Alhanelem]

You're right, I'm wrong. Nice chatting with you.

[Cream_Soda]

You're right, I'm wrong. Nice chatting with you.

I can agree to that

[Supersun]

Accuracy actually is a more important stat up until a certain point (with the exception of REALLY high hasye values).

2 accuracy can actually give up to a +5% increase in damage.

80% haste and floored accuracy is virtually equal to 0% haste and capped accuracy.

[Leonlionheart]

Accuracy actually is a more important stat up until a certain point (with the exception of REALLY high hasye values).

2 accuracy can actually give up to a +5% increase in damage.

80% haste and floored accuracy is virtually equal to 0% haste and capped accuracy.

In that case isn't accuracy more important than haste still?

Floored haste is 20%, 80% haste is 4x attack speed, which would mean your hitting about 80% of the dps you would if you had 100% accuracy. And accuracy caps at 95%.

Maybe I'm thinking about it the wrong way

[Supersun]

80% haste is 4x attack speed

80% haste is 5x attack speed.

Out of 100 attacks capped accuracy hits 95 times

Out of 500 attacks (5x) floored accuracy hits 100 times.

[Yugl]

This has nothing to do with gearing for Abyssea assuming you're doing it right.

When fSTR, dDEX, ACC, and ATK for some jobs with food/JAs are all capped because of Cruor and/or Atma you gear very differently than you would when any of those aren't true, and drastically different when none of those are true.

Yes doing Abyssea gets you some of the best gear in the game at the moment. That doesn't mean that the gear that is the best inside abyssea is the best outside of it.

Using your "ACC is capped inside abyssea" comment, would you do Voidwatch with 0 ACC in gear because that works inside Abyssea?

While new content requires more accuracy, food resolves most of these issues. Other than that, there aren't many situations where you're sacrificing less than 25% Haste options for accuracy. Furthermore, if these NMs are as difficult to melee as you're suggesting (I've only participated in new content as a mage, but the melee don't seem to have the accuracy issue you're suggesting arises; i.e. 80% or less), then I imagine they're receiving bard buffs, which will inevitably increase the utility of haste either through stacking delay reduction or covering massive accuracy deficits.