[DEV1234]Lift the delay/haste cap

[hiko]

How does you being amazing naked have anything to do with this gear or that gear being the best gear or not?

So I can one shot Abyssean trash mobs with victory smite. Does that mean that the gear I get in there is not the best, just because I'm already "strong enough" ?

easy just take 2set (both same haste)
set one: lot off acc and attack , Nhit for ws
set two: n-1 build, no acc nor att,
wich is better?

if you're acc caped and have decent atack while naked 2nd is better
if you have crapp acc/att while naked first win.

[Alhanelem]

Um sorry, I'm not seeing what that has to do with "Being awesome while naked means that no gear is the best just because I don't need it in order to be awesome."

That's why using Abyssea content as a benchmark for what is the "best" gear will give you bad results.

I'm not using abyssea as a bench mark for gear. Saying that good gear comes from abyssea does not mean that I'm using abyssea itself to determine whether the gear is good or not.

A lot of gear OBTAINED IN ABYSSEA is great WHEN USED OUTSIDE OF ABYSSEA.

[Zagen]

A lot of gear OBTAINED IN ABYSSEA is great WHEN USED OUTSIDE OF ABYSSEA.

This has nothing to do with gearing for Abyssea assuming you're doing it right.

When fSTR, dDEX, ACC, and ATK for some jobs with food/JAs are all capped because of Cruor and/or Atma you gear very differently than you would when any of those aren't true, and drastically different when none of those are true.

Yes doing Abyssea gets you some of the best gear in the game at the moment. That doesn't mean that the gear that is the best inside abyssea is the best outside of it.

Using your "ACC is capped inside abyssea" comment, would you do Voidwatch with 0 ACC in gear because that works inside Abyssea?

[Coldbrand]

I'm gonna' have to say I don't like this one. Sorry, but I already find it annoying enough trying to cap haste on most jobs, let alone cap haste without looking like a jackass.

[Leonlionheart]

I'm gonna' have to say I don't like this one. Sorry, but I already find it annoying enough trying to cap haste on most jobs, let alone cap haste without looking like a jackass.

90% sure the only jobs that can't cap haste incredibly easily are smn blm and sch...

the rest can cap it with 4~6 pieces, most very easily obtainable

but that's beside the point.

Raising Haste is retarded, getting rid of it is even more retarded

[Alhanelem]

This has nothing to do with gearing for Abyssea assuming you're doing it right.

You're right. It doesn't. Thats why I capitalized OUTSIDE OF ABYSSEA. I'm not talking about just in abyssea. I never was. Why do you keep going back to abyssea when it's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about gear OBTAINED in abyssea. Not gear USED in abyssea.

People have already been saying dont use abyssea as the benchmark, so we're not.

90% sure the only jobs that can't cap haste incredibly easily are smn blm and sch...

the rest can cap it with 4~6 pieces, most very easily obtainable

Which is why raising a cap that not all jobs can attain in the first place is stupid.

[Zagen]

You're right. It doesn't. Thats why I capitalized OUTSIDE OF ABYSSEA. I'm not talking about just in abyssea. I never was. Why do you keep going back to abyssea when it's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about gear OBTAINED in abyssea. Not gear USED in abyssea.

People have already been saying dont use abyssea as the benchmark, so we're not.

If you agree that Abyssea isn't a benchmark to use. Then you should agree that ACC/DEX/STR/ATK wouldn't be auto capped or near capped on new content meaning "Haste > All" is not the end all be all answer. In other words your argument about people preaching "Haste > All" in all scenarios isn't valid because smart people wouldn't say that, they'd say "Sh!ts Situational".

[Alhanelem]

Haste and accuracy > all. Happy now?

[Greatguardian]

You're forgetting Attack/pDif/cRatio, dDex, fStr. Things are only simple in Abyssea where practically everything is capped.

ITT: Complaining about people making everything too simple by simultaneously oversimplifying the game.

[Alhanelem]

You're forgetting Attack/pDif/cRatio, dDex, fStr.

All things that are usually only considered on weapon skills. These stats all matter for about 0.5 seconds every time your TP reaches 100.

I might be "oversimplifying" but answer me this? Why did every melee DD at 75 wear a walmart turban? It has no accuracy, no attack, no effect on pdif, cratio, dDex, or fStr. it ONLY has haste. Speed belt? Haste. Every melee who could obtain these things used them over anything else. Why would this happen if Haste wasn't more important than most other stats most of the time?