[DEV1234]Lift the delay/haste cap

[Zagen]

Just because "new content won't be in abyssea" doesn't mean that abyssea itself will no longer be of significance or importance. You say "abysssea is done" as if we suddenly won't be doing it anymore.

Abyssea isn't of significant importance now when it comes to gear why should it be a benchmark at 95 or 99 for anyone?

That's like telling a BLM once you hit 320 Elemental Skill and 120 INT you're good to go for Voidwatch because that was the "benchmark" for Sky.

Haste is king inside Abyssea because Atma/Cruor make up for the rest, outside Abyssea you aren't rocking +40-70 all stats naked.

[Yokoh]

Hundred Fists for everyone! Nothing will survive longer than the time it takes to engage!

Posting in a troll thread!

haha i like this! currently doing the multi-strike magian for my PUP H2H, 2-4 hit (along with double attack making it 2-8) i will be like a hundred fist MNK 24/7! :P haha

[Alhanelem]

Abyssea isn't of significant importance now when it comes to gear why should it be a benchmark at 95 or 99 for anyone?

Oh really? For many jobs it offers a lot of the best gear in the game. When did this change?

Haste is king inside Abyssea because Atma/Cruor make up for the rest, outside Abyssea you aren't rocking +40-70 all stats naked.

Assuming reasonable amounts of accuracy, haste is the primo number 1 kickass stat for everyone that ever swings a weapon everywhere, not just in Abyssea. It shouldn't be that way, but it pretty much is. You don't need atma/cruor buffs for haste to be the best stat to maximize.

[Zagen]

Oh really? For many jobs it offers a lot of the best gear in the game. When did this change?

~_~ Inside Abyssea my naked WAR/SAM Caps ACC with Cruor + RR... Thus gear inside isn't relevant because it will give me minimal gains(aside from Haste) because inside Abyssea I'm a demi-god naked... add in the best gear and I'm a slightly better demi-god. Outside Abyssea that's a very different story.

The gear you can get in Abyssea has nothing to do with using Abyssea NMs as a benchmark in the future. Yes that gear could be used in a given benchmark but the 2 things are independent.

Edit: My WAR caps on trash mobs not everything before someone takes the statement overboard.

[Zagen]

Assuming reasonable amounts of accuracy, haste is the primo number 1 kickass stat for everyone that ever swings a weapon everywhere, not just in Abyssea. It shouldn't be that way, but it pretty much is. You don't need atma/cruor buffs for haste to be the best stat to maximize.

And if you Accuracy isn't over 80% you'd be better off with ACC over Haste in a lot of slots. Depending on the job. This is something that will come up outside Abyssea.

Edit: If your swings are landing for 0-10 damage you'd better look into STR/ATK over haste. hitting for 0 80% faster does nothing for your TP gain.

[Alhanelem]

Edit: If your swings are landing for 0-10 damage you'd better look into STR/ATK over haste. hitting for 0 80% faster does nothing for your TP gain.

I couldn't agree more, but in the vast majority of all situations, everyone constantly sings the praises of haste and looks down on you if you don't have the maximum amount of haste possible.

~_~ Inside Abyssea my naked WAR/SAM Caps ACC with Cruor + RR... Thus gear inside isn't relevant because it will give me minimal gains(aside from Haste) because inside Abyssea I'm a demi-god naked...

How does you being amazing naked have anything to do with this gear or that gear being the best gear or not?

So I can one shot Abyssean trash mobs with victory smite. Does that mean that the gear I get in there is not the best, just because I'm already "strong enough" ?

[wish12oz]

When people say Abyssea is over, they are not saying there is nothing there worth doing or having. What they are saying is, if you have a competent group, within 3-4 months everyone should have everything useful for every job they like playing and you can quit going there. Any competent group that started with even the Heros release is currently struggling to find stuff to do, or everyone has 4-5 empyreans and counting.

[Zagen]

How does you being amazing naked have anything to do with this gear or that gear being the best gear or not?

So I can one shot Abyssean trash mobs with victory smite. Does that mean that the gear I get in there is not the best, just because I'm already "strong enough" ?

If you're aiming for the "best" inside abyssea as your goal when there are harder things in the game right now then yes the gear you get isn't of value in there. With or without Tantra set +2 you could 1 shot a lot of mobs inside abyssea, with or without it you could do a lot of damage to NMs inside abyssea. Because of Cruor and Atma the difference between an Sky MNK and a Tantra MNK isn't huge. The Tantra MNK would win but not by a drastic lead. That's my point as to why Abyssea is a bad event to use as a Benchmark.

[Alhanelem]

If you're aiming for the "best" inside abyssea as your goal when there are harder things in the game right now then yes the gear you get isn't of value in there.

It's not a question of "of value" it's a quesiton of wheher it's the best gear or not. If it doesn't matter whether it's the best or not is a completely different topic. And I'm not aiming for only being the best in abyssea, and I'm sure no one else in this thread is either. Abyssea produces some amazing gear for many jobs. There's no stipulation on any of it that you can only use it in abyssea.

[Zagen]

It's not a question of "of value" it's a quesiton of wheher it's the best gear or not. If it doesn't matter whether it's the best or not is a completely different topic. And I'm not aiming for only being the best in abyssea, and I'm sure no one else in this thread is either. Abyssea produces some amazing gear for many jobs. There's no stipulation on any of it that you can only use it in abyssea.

You're arguing that everyone sees "Haste > All" when it comes to gear at least until hitting 26%. If I'm not mistaken.

This is only true inside Abyssea or against old content.

And it is true in Voidwatch with a BRD/COR capping your ACC and/or ATK so you can focus on Haste. The thing is if you don't have a BRD and/or COR "Haste > All" won't be true in many cases.

The only way you can have that apply inside Abyssea is if you don't use Atma and/or Cruor, which would be dumb not opportunistic like using a BRD or COR is outside. That's why using Abyssea content as a benchmark for what is the "best" gear will give you bad results.

tl:dr Gear is situational.