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    Player Malacite's Avatar
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    tl;dr

    Brief History Lesson: The cap used to be 90%, back just a bit before ToAU I believe is when they finally nerfed it down to 80%. This was when you had Relic DRK and WAR/DRK with Rune Choppers doing nuts with haste, attacking at 10x normal speed.

    Yeah that's right, that last 10% doubles your attack rounds from 5 to 10. That's why they lowered it to 80, and why it's never going back. QQ moar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream_Soda View Post
    Then play games that don't have haste at all.
    All online games should have no haste at all on equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    All online games should have no haste at all on equipment.
    Haste isn't inherently bad.

    It's only the god stat when they create a crappy formula where it's an exponential function.

    Seriously, is 1/X that hard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    All online games should have no haste at all on equipment.
    There shouldn't be any stats on equipment at all bro! They should be just for looks!
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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by wish12oz View Post
    It was uncapped and you couldn't reach it until desperate blows.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cream_Soda View Post
    There shouldn't be any stats on equipment at all bro! They should be just for looks!
    All other stats are fine. Haste is not, because it automatically makes all other stats irrelevant unless the limit on it is low enough that anyone and everyone can achieve it, at which point it's pointless to have in the first place.

    I've yet to see anyone find a way to balance haste so that it's not the only stat that anoyne tries to attain and max.
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    because it automatically makes all other stats irrelevant
    Not at all. Accuracy is another huge stat. Just because it's easier to cap doesn't make it any less important.

    Back when acc wasn't auto capped from all the dex you get from razed ruins and cruor buffs, things like ace's helm were capable of beating turban, depending on the situation. Toreador's over blitz as well (provided that your acc was high enough to be at/very close to cap w/ said item and not low enough to where it'd you'd just need to be eating pizza instead of meat)

    so that it's not the only stat that anoyne tries to attain and max.
    Not that anyone has to try, but acc is definitely something you're going to want maxed and if mobs were given higher eva, or even in things like voidwatch, it very much becomes something you try to max once again.
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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    In Abyssea, nobody has a problem with accuracy. Not even lolmeleeSMN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    I've yet to see anyone find a way to balance haste so that it's not the only stat that anoyne tries to attain and max.
    Really not hard.

    Haste is only exponential because it affects delay which itself is a rate if attack speed more specifically in the denominator.

    If 50% haste instead of reducing the denominator of your function by half which in essence doubles the numerator just increased the numerator by 50% then it's no longer exponential and +1% haste pretty much gives +1% damage which is much closer to what other stats give.

    So like I said earlier is 1/x really that hard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    In Abyssea, nobody has a problem with accuracy. Not even lolmeleeSMN.
    Good thing Abyssea is over and you'll have to leave to do new things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    In Abyssea, nobody has a problem with accuracy. Not even lolmeleeSMN.
    It doesn't mean it's not an important stat.

    If you every job could cap haste just as easily, it wouldn't make haste any less important or vital.
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