Job Vision: Watch paint dry

[Razushu]

Its the reason i really wanna see how far back SMN stands through a parse or something similar. MATHS would work as well though

That's fair enough, sorry I misunderstood your post.

Only maths I've seen on the subject puts a SMN melee at about 1/4 of a WAR.

[Malamasala]

I'd like to run a Melee-SMN parse like someone did a Melee-RDM parse in that one thread, just to truly see where it stands. You would have to count the Avatar, to be frank its a part of the job, just like Automatons to PUPs, and Jugs to BSTs!

It would be fun indeed, though you basically need an empyrean staff to be able to tell how far off Dallas is.

[Karbuncle]

Actually, as crazy as this sounds, One of my good SMN friends (well, my GF, yay sani :3) Is working on that Staff. We figured it'd be fun to do.

We'll try to get her to the 85 sometime and try this out. She owns a Zelus Tiara and other basic gear, saddly her SMN ASA pants are used for Elemental Siphon Atm, Doubt she'd change it... She doesn't have perfect Melee gear either so its a toss up.

I'm going to try and parse it though, No doubt, just to see exactly how far behind it falls. I'll probably parse it against my THF, WAR, MNK, and maybe something like my DRK and PUP, just to see where it stands against each one.

[Dallas]

Actually, as crazy as this sounds, One of my good SMN friends (well, my GF, yay sani :3) Is working on that Staff. We figured it'd be fun to do.

We'll try to get her to the 85 sometime and try this out. She owns a Zelus Tiara and other basic gear, saddly her SMN ASA pants are used for Elemental Siphon Atm, Doubt she'd change it... She doesn't have perfect Melee gear either so its a toss up.

I'm going to try and parse it though, No doubt, just to see exactly how far behind it falls. I'll probably parse it against my THF, WAR, MNK, and maybe something like my DRK and PUP, just to see where it stands against each one.

I know Korpg has repeated his illiteracy enough that everyone thinks he knows what I said. It's too much trouble to find the misread post, but I'm sure the gimp twins have it bookmarked. When they post the link to save face, keep reading for GG to ask for clarification and the clarification I give.

When you do your parses, you have a choice: play to SMNs weaknesses or play to WARs weaknesses. A WAR/SAM isn't soloing squat, and an avatar isn't going to cap haste. Choose the answer you want before asking the question. That's what everyone else does.

[Korpg]

A WAR/SAM isn't soloing squat

Neither is a melee SMN. Unless you want to prove otherwise.

Tell us, for this is the 10th time I asked you this question: What is the hardest mob you have ever melee soloed as SMN?

Not my fault if it is something that is DC or lower to a level 90.

[Leonlionheart]

Actually, as crazy as this sounds, One of my good SMN friends (well, my GF, yay sani :3) Is working on that Staff. We figured it'd be fun to do.

We'll try to get her to the 85 sometime and try this out. She owns a Zelus Tiara and other basic gear, saddly her SMN ASA pants are used for Elemental Siphon Atm, Doubt she'd change it... She doesn't have perfect Melee gear either so its a toss up.

I'm going to try and parse it though, No doubt, just to see exactly how far behind it falls. I'll probably parse it against my THF, WAR, MNK, and maybe something like my DRK and PUP, just to see where it stands against each one.

You're on Asura, if you see me around I can parse with you. WAR90 Ukon90, MNK90 Revenent Fists +2, and a poorly geared DRK with Twilight Scythe, probably will have a DRG90 with some crap gear by the end of today.

I also have SMN90 if you want another SMN, but I won't have comparable gear to your SMN gf.

[Malamasala]

Remember to compare WAR with staff vs SMN with staff too. I'm quite certain the only reason WAR is so far ahead, is their WS selection.

[Razushu]

Remember to compare WAR with staff vs SMN with staff too. I'm quite certain the only reason WAR is so far ahead, is their WS selection.

That honestly is desperate grasping, and I wouldn't have expected it from you. Why on earth would the WAR use a staff? The reason the WAR is so far ahead is because it's a DD class. There is no trick there it was a SMN with it's best melee weapon vs a WAR with the same, recieving the same buffs. The WAR is ahead because it was designed as a DD with, armor choices, jas, stats, and traits designed to make it one of the most physically imposing job classes in the game. Comparing SMN to a WAR as a melee and expecting the SMN to even place, is like backing a bucket of KFC in a cockfight. You will be disappointed.

[Korpg]

Remember to compare WAR with staff vs SMN with staff too. I'm quite certain the only reason WAR is so far ahead, is their WS selection.

Do you want the SMN to have full buffs and the WAR without buffs, or do you want the WAR to be naked without a weapon while the SMN can be fully geared?

Or both?

[Leonlionheart]

Remember to compare WAR with staff vs SMN with staff too. I'm quite certain the only reason WAR is so far ahead, is their WS selection.

Same skill, let's say 400 attack base.

Showing Attack:
WAR:
AF3+2 Body: 20
AF3+2 Legs: 15
AF3 Earring: 3
Atheling Mantle: 20
AF3 Ammo: 8
=66 ON TP SET.

SMN:
Um... Aesir Earring: 7
Aesir Mantle: 8
Keen Ring: 7
Torque: 7(From skill)
Danger Grip(LOL): 5
Ammo: At most I think 4? IDK but I'll give it to you.
=38 ON TP SET

Half. Accuracy is worse.

Berserk: +25%
Warcry: +35

SMN:

Warcry: +35

Best WS: Cataclysm for both.

Even if SMN had A+ Skill, and a weaponskill on par with Ukko's, pDIF would be SEVERELY undercapped, meaning you'd be doing 25~50% of the damage a WAR would be with it.