Dragoon Manifesto thoughts

[Leonlionheart]

By enmity control I mean not going up and spamming Ukkos and getting 3-shotted there-after, like for instance, on BLM, most BLMs know the golden rule of not nuking Big nukes non-stop back to back unless they want to get stomped or have Enmity Douse up.

You are correct, maybe i should be a little more clear on the matter, right now THF's abilities in Enmity control are very situational. Collab/Accompl are great for quick moments if a mage/DD gets hate... But that 25% per use adds up over time to eventually the THF is the one getting hate, and he has no way to shed it outside of dying, or if he's really lucky, Hide (That doesnt work on 99% of NMs).

If they gave us a lot more useful Enmity control it wouldn't be too bad, Because it could speed up battles if a THF could take say, 25% of some BLMs enmity and dump it into oblivion instead of on himself, a BLM could nuke more, and thus kill faster.

But what i meant originally when i said most jobs know how to control their Enmity, I meant "A WAR knows to let his VE go down before blowing more WS's in the mobs face". Theres little you can do about CE though, it'll add up. Anyway, Performing actions to minimize the time you have hate is what i meant by "Enmity control", rather it be a WAR only going in to WS a mob, or a BLM nuking in longer intervals than normal... or a SAM who gets hate immediately putting on a PDT set and letting the mob beat the CE out of him with minimal MP sponged.

Edit: and of course I'm not referring to Abyssea. Abyssea is god-mode land where you rarely have to care about Enmity. I'm talking about harder content such as say, Voidwatch. I go to that example a lot as its the only real endgame content thats remotely difficult, and requires a bit of enmity controlling/restraint.

Well let's hope SE realizes this, and allows these abilities to become more in depth.

Somehow though, I get the feeling that SE really is too lazy, or the budget is simply too small, to deal with enmity in advanced ways considering Enmity Douse is the most simple of all enmity control (Just puts you at the bottom of the list).

But, doesn't High Jump already have a -30% enmity reduction effect? And Super Jump -50%?

Edit: Apparently /DRG is -30%, DRG main is -50%, and Super Jump is -99% of "Accumulated Enmity"

[OMEGA_HACK]

yeah they want to basically say those effects will be added to the person behind you and call it a DRG update...

Oh thanks SE, how kind of you; lol... /sarcasm

[Leonlionheart]

I wouldn't mind if it had nothing to do with placement. Or if it shared the same timer as Super Jump.

[noodles355]

nice to see threads about Drg, a job with comparitively few problems, in general forum stays here, but a topic about thief, which has much more issues, gets moderated and moved to the job specific forum where it is left to rot without any other cknowlegement from SE.

[Seha]

nice to see threads about Drg, a job with comparitively few problems, in general forum stays here, but a topic about thief, which has much more issues, gets moderated and moved to the job specific forum where it is never acknowleged at all.

Whining will help your cause for sure.

[Karbuncle]

Whining will help your cause for sure.

If history is any indication the sarcasm is meaningless as it actually will. >___>

[Leonlionheart]

THF has problems? I thought 8k Rudra's Storms were good, I guess I was wrong.

TH7 is something to complain about too

Not to mention it is by far the most wanted job for empyrean farming, along side WAR NIN and WHM.

I'll add it has the most evasion, and can actually pull off evasion tanking as /war in some cases.

[Karbuncle]

Spoilered for off-topic-THF related content in DRG thread.

THF has problems? I thought 8k Rudra's Storms were good, I guess I was wrong.

Only in Abyssea. Content that is going bye bye. Outside We're weak. Our DPS is shit next to any real DD, and even the best SA/TA WS will pale next to a good Ukko's Furry of Victory Smite.

Its sad but the damage doesn't compare well outside Abyssea :|

TH7 is something to complain about too

No, Its the one good thing about the job. However, I simply believe Treasure hunter is not a good enough reason to keep THF a mediocre job thats only reason for existing is TH.

THFs problem isn't its gimmick abilities, Its that its damage is so poor its not worth its place as a Melee, so it will inevitably become a "Hit mob > Go afk" job again.

TH6 is also the highest we go naturally without Atmas. If you're saying a THF should use the TH Atma, You kinda elegantly proved my point, Being we're so worthless in DD no one cares if we sacrifice a large chunk of our DD (RR, GH, or Apoc, whichever one you remove for Dread) by putting on a TH Atma instead.

THF doesn't want to just be a TH whore. We love TH, But we feel we can contribute more to the party, All we want is a small damage boost to where we're not so far behind other DD on real endgame content.

Not to mention it is by far the most wanted job for empyrean farming, along side WAR NIN and WHM.

True, but only for TH whoring :\, THF is only useful for Treasure Hunter. We have no other redeeming quality. We don't feel other jobs should go ignored, we just feel THF should also be addressed.

Remember at 75 when it was "Hit the mob and sit down"? Oh yah, Loads of fun on THF. I love showing up to an event just to hit the mob and go away so i can feel useful! Most LS just had a LS THF Mule, and no other THF was allowed. why? because the job is worthless outside of TH.

I'll add it has the most evasion, and can actually pull off evasion tanking as /war in some cases.

It seems like you have not done a lot of Non-Abyssea Endgame content with a THF. I assure you if you step a THF outside abyssea with a DD worth his own grain of salt (oh hey, You have an Ukonvasara you can test this yourself!) That the THF will perform so horribly that its not even funny anymore.

Go test your UkonWAR vs a Mandau or Thwast THF on equal grounds against REAL enemies (like the VT+Demons in Dynamis, Voidwatch Enemies, etc), You will probably do more than 75% of the damage.

In Abyssea i admit we're very good too, Abyssea made up for a lot of our weaknesses, But my complaints are with outside Abyssea content, Where the game is heading.

If we continue down our current path our jobs will once again be "Hit the mob and stop feeding it TP gimpo", which will even further inevitably lead to most LS's just having a TH mule they drag around.

[Coldbrand]

Guess which job this thread isn't for.

[Karbuncle]

Yah, I know my discussion was off topic and i apologize.

Knowing it was off topic is why i Spoilered it, hoping it wouldn't take the original topic too far off course, By making it to where people wouldn't have to read it if they chose not too... If i could have PM'd him i would have.

I Even labeled it so people knew it was off-OP topic.

I was simply responding to a post made in my direction. In an attempt to be courteous and knowing my discussion was off topic, i Spoilered it to keep it from blowing up too big, and to allow the readers of the DRG thread to not be forced to read it.

You can continue your DRG related discussion any time you wish. I do not (and did not) intend to take the discussion any further.