Dragoon Manifesto thoughts

[Leonlionheart]

Stance:

"I HAZ A POLE"
increases dancing potency by 25%

because DRG/DNC isn't lol when DRG/BLU can get Cocoon and curative breaths.

I think they could have some sort of stance, maybe reduce the cooldown of jumps for one, reduce the cooldown of restoring/smiting breath and boost the potency for the other.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Well when I made that post I was trying not to be instantly flamed for making abilities that were "too powerful and would make them the top tier DD without competition" so I threw in negative effects, the effects could obviously be reworked instead of just shooting them down (as that is just the easy way out and a preferred choice by some it would seem). Also some of the negative effects could just be down right dropped off the list as +10% Crit damage taken does see a little extreme in hindsight.

[Leonlionheart]

Well when I made that post I was trying not to be instantly flamed for making abilities that were "too powerful and would make them the top tier DD without competition" so I threw in negative effects, the effects could obviously be reworked instead of just shooting them down (as that is just the easy way out and a preferred choice by some it would seem). Also some of the negative effects could just be down right dropped off the list as +10% Crit damage taken does see a little extreme in hindsight.

Someone will always be able to pick something out of your post and make you look bad

internet

[Yugl]

Haste: 14.65%
Gear: 25%
Hasso: 9.96%
=
49.61%

March1+3: 12.31 (Assuming March+1 = +1000/1082 haste)
March2+3: 15.43 (Assuming March+1 = +1000/1082 haste)
=
27.74% + 49.61% = 77.35% (Same as WAR)

Ok. It's not cap.

Edit: Spirit Surge will only get you to 78.71%.

And interestingly enough, an AoE haste granting 15% haste (Looks like 13-14% at minimum?) will solve the attack problem you mentioned by allowing for sub WAR.

Those stances would be horrendous. Absolutely, just no. God no, please no.

And this.

[Amador]

Think he meant more along the lines of having nothing but positive effects without any consequences would lead to being flamed.

However, those consequences in this case seem down right sadistic. I'd say if Dragoon did get stances they should be penalized as Samurai was. Yet even then, can it even be called a penalty to have your magic recast increased by 50% on a job like Samurai? I don't really think so. If anything that would really affect DRG/MAGE combinations.

Furthermore, I'd be willing to sacrifice evasion since it's low enough as is on anything that would matter. Though I don't think that's a direction I see SE taking DRG.

They seem interested in prolonging defensive traits, such as our Critical Defense Bonus trait.

I'd say, a stance much like Hasso although different would be good.

[Leonlionheart]

And interestingly enough, an AoE haste granting 15% haste (Looks like 13-14% at minimum?) will solve the attack problem you mentioned by allowing for sub WAR.

WOOOOOAH THERE...

Haste cap is 80% broseph.

STILL won't allow sub war, since SAM is the only one with native STP. Going from 6hit to 7hit is a problem.

[Amador]

It's not just about Haste and a 5-6 Hit either. It's about the survival that /SAM offers too.

Third Eye + Seigan is very valuable, and can't be replaced easily regardless of another option. The only way you could consider subbing /WAR is if A: You maintain a 5-6 hit, and are a responsible non-MP Sponge DD wherever you go.

It's no Myth that /WAR is POWERFUL. It's just that in the end, Berserk 10% DA and Warcry can't compete with the safety of Seigan/Third Eye. It's not about Hasso.

[Seha]

While we really want to make is possible to ride wyverns and have them grow in size, unfortunately system wise this is difficult. (It MIGHT be possible to make them bigger though...)

Om nom nom.

[Leonlionheart]

It's not just about Haste and a 5-6 Hit either. It's about the survival that /SAM offers too.

Third Eye + Seigan is very valuable, and can't be replaced easily regardless of another option. The only way you could consider subbing /WAR is if A: You maintain a 5-6 hit, and are a responsible non-MP Sponge DD wherever you go.

It's no Myth that /WAR is POWERFUL. It's just that in the end, Berserk 10% DA and Warcry can't compete with the safety of Seigan/Third Eye. It's not about Hasso.

Ok, well I'm not sure about actual parses, but with March+haste+hasso, you will without a doubt do more damage than /WAR possibly could

[Dauntless]

Ok, well I'm not sure about actual parses, but with March+haste+hasso, you will without a doubt do more damage than /WAR possibly could

Parsed myself against a bud of mine who was using lolGungnir back in a bird party @75 cap. I was /sam he was /war, and I outparsed him fairly well.