ATTN: Community Reps/Dev Team: PUPs of Vanadiel DEMAND a response on Automaton A.I.!

[Cyranda]

If it were just the puppet, sure, but with PUPs themselves getting their H2H bumped up along with much better gear and WS compared to their launch, they're still a factor alongside the Automaton. How close to two party members can the PUP and Auto get, with the mentioned quirk, before they're too much? As that's the issue your start facing when the AI isn't so much a series of choices to make and more like delayed commands.

If a Puppetmaster is nuking with its BLM automaton, it's not in melee range fighting. If it were, it'd risk the automaton getting hit and not being able to use its "infinite MP." If the PUP were in a situation where it could have the automaton at its side while meleeing without risk of death, it would be using Sharpshot (unless the monster were extremely melee resistant, but then the PUP fighting wouldn't be a bonus). You don't see melee jobs complaining that a puppetmaster can just deactivate sharpshot when it might get hate. There is no problem here.

Regardless, MP is not infinite inside or outside of Abyssea, despite an upped longevity in the former thanks to Atma and temps. Running out of MP just using Blizzard IV and V is not difficult, and it's not unheard of to go a stretch of time without temps if soloing. For more prolonged encounters with others, however, the enmity issue is still very real, even with Enmity Douse and its prohibitively long timer.

This might matter if automatons should suddenly have elemental celerity or a short recast timer, also didn't have to worry about overload, could deploy out of AoE range and had other Black Mage tricks, including a subjob. In prolonged encounters where Black Mages would run out of MP, they can rest and or be refreshed, get MP back, etc. Square has also mentioned that they are working on other jobs maintaining enmity.

I know nobody likes nerfs, but it's something that bears consideration as the job tends to avoid a lot of scrutiny on its finer points due to past beliefs, status, and cost/difficulty in bringing up to speed.

It avoids scrutiny? By what standard? Are PUPs suddenly taking over as the most popular job, performing feats that dazzle all the other jobs, putting BLMs to shame, out-healing WHMs and making others cry? It has not yet happened in the history of the job, and a few AI fixes won't make that happen.

I know nobody likes nerfs

Validated nerfs are fine. Preemptive nerfing over something that hasn't happened and isn't likely to happen is ridiculous. Nerfing a job because someone doesn't like the "idea of infinite MP" when said infinite mp not only does not over-power a job, but barely brings it inline with other jobs in certainly roles (if that), is even worse.

[Mercilessturtle]

If it were just the puppet, sure, but with PUPs themselves getting their H2H bumped up along with much better gear and WS compared to their launch, they're still a factor alongside the Automaton. How close to two party members can the PUP and Auto get, with the mentioned quirk, before they're too much?

Pup isn't remotely close to two party members. We're not even competitive with one party member in many situations, that's the problem. BST has an A- in axe, access to virtually all of the heavy DD gear in the game (they can wear pretty much everything WAR can) and has very strong selection of jug pets now. Do you think BST needs to be nerfed because they got good pets?

People vastly overestimate the amount of damage an automaton does because they only look at their weaponskill damage. Their overall damage is not impressive at all, they attack very slowly and weaponskills are really far apart. It was already pointed out, but it is worth mentioning again: it is often counter productive to even bother using any maneuvers at all because automaton damage is so low, and the JA delay eats into the masters damage. That is not a good situation for a job that is supposedly focused on their pet. And really, how are we puppetMASTERs if we have virtually no control over our automatons due to the terrible AI?

[xbobx]

keep in mind in abyessa to make blm puppet competitive you have to sacrifice melee dmg a lot with atma.

[Lushipur]

water man. to trigger -na spell OR let damaga gauge really prioritize cure over -na;
dark man. to trigger drain and aspir;
no need to fight over spaghetti code, just two really easy IF / END-IF XD

and please consider where to put the next attachment....no other job need to some random farm to get the new toys....a war get a new ja just levelling not by killing 5 years old NM that nobody cares anymore
yes, mage need to find the new spells but the amount of ppl playing blm/whm/rdm is far greater than pup so the AH is soon flooded by scroll and the price will eventually drops. this is unrealistic for a job in 20th position on the census.

[xbobx]

Those mage spells are in gold chests, chest people readily farm and you can control the pop of. Brown chests in gov that many people don't do , and brown chests are rare, then you have to guess it right to open it, then you have to hope it is in chest. I bet it is less then 1 percent chance to get.

[Alhanelem]

ATTN: Community Reps / Dev Team

Please ignore this thread, or at all the DEMANDing people in it.

We don't demand anything. We REQUEST that NPC/pet A.I. adjustments be considered.

ATTN: Community Reps / Dev Team

Putting this in your topic title does NOT get you more staff attention, so PLEASE stop it.

keep in mind in abyessa to make blm puppet competitive you have to sacrifice melee dmg a lot with atma.

That's why, when in abyssea, you only use it when you need the magic damage and meleeing is dangerous/risky.

[Seha]

They don't need flashing signs to point them to threads that the person posting thinks are more important than anyone else's threads.

Pot calling the kettle black.

Please ignore this thread, or at all the DEMANDing people in it.

[Karbuncle]

IGNORE ME.....

[Karbuncle]

No offense but commenting in every thread with "[attn]" or "[dev]" tags on it and saying it doesn't help is infinitely more annoying than people actually putting it in their thread title.

For clarification, I hate it when people put "TO DEVS" and stuff in the title as well, But my silent hatred is enough.

Either way, I'm not 100% on Rep personalities, but I think they can understand we're not actually ready to throw pitchforks. Maybe Demand is a strong word, But We'd definitely like something.

all i really want from my Puppet is Longer Maneuvers

[Alhanelem]

No offense but commenting in every thread with "[attn]" or "[dev]" tags on it and saying it doesn't help is infinitely more annoying than people actually putting it in their thread title.

I will keep saying it until it stops. I'm sick of attention *****s.

The community team reads everything. They don't need flashing signs to point them to threads that the person posting thinks are more important than anyone else's threads.