Thoughts on the FFXI Job Adjustment Manifesto

[Crossarius]

Used Regen IV under the effect of Tabula Rasa and it healed 54 Hp/tick. Stacked with Embrava(62 Hp/tick) I had 116 Hp/tick.

Regen III under Tabula Rasa ticked at 44Hp/tick. All tests without Savant's Bonnet+2.

@Light arts
The buff to SCH main LA is really good in terms of Regen! However I would have liked to see a slight decrease in Cast/recast time too. LA/DA should boost a SCH main more than a /SCH, so give it some more bam to cast/recast (Don't even care about more than -10% MP costs)

[Siiri]

They are not done buffing the job. If you ever played it or had any idea concept of how badly it needs work you would understand that. And the notes mention more adjustments are coming.

I don't play scholar, but everyone in my ls knows how much I hate it. So every time sch gets a buff I hear "we were already overpowered now we are more so. The new sch 2 hour is the most overpowered thing in the game" etc etc.

That is not to say that other jobs don't need work (SMN, DRK, RDM BST, PUP, etc - note WHM is not one of them), but you can rest assured that SCH and THF are going to continue to be jobs that receive attention for the near future. Why? Because while other jobs need work, you'll be hard pressed to find jobs that need *more* attention.

I disagree, I think DRK needs more attention than both sch and thf. As for white mage, I agree WHM is fine, although I have a big issue as stated with any other job getting Cure V. My primary reason for protesting scholar buffs is because of the black mage in me, not the white mage. I think Sch is waaaaay too close to black mage. If buffs are needed it should be done on the light arts, not the dark arts.

Unpopular is not the same as underpowered. Sch is relatively unpopular, for many varied reasons. One of them is the same reason pup is unpopular, its job ability heavy and seems complicated to the average DD. I would definitely take PUP off the list of jobs that need updating, it is already plenty powerful, most people just don't want to play it. There are also other reasons scholar is comparatively unpopular, it is a job that encroaches on black mage, white mage and red mage and those 3 jobs have a lot of fervent supporters. I am not the only mage who hates scholar. On vent or skype the mention of scholar gets groans from most of the longtime black and red mages. It also was released poorly with no real role, and its brief fad (when all the HNMLS were leveling sch for AV) was nerfed quickly.

[Merton9999]

Klimaform
No complaints on this. Lasting the full duration of the recast is more than I expected.

Helix
New duration and MP cost sound good. Though a longer duration on mobs I never used them on because they died too quickly is of course useless. And the mobs that don't die too quickly are too resistant or render helix useless with the dINT problem. Called the subbable thing, and absolutely hate it.

Regen
I'm not impressed by the numbers. I'd still rather have a casting time reduction. I'd like SCH to have a job trait similar to WHM's Divine Benison but for enhancing magic that would drastically cut casting time, recast time and enmity values.

Has it been confirmed that Regen IV is still not accessionable on the test server? I agree with Neisan's wording on accessionable spells. With a few timing exceptions while the caps were being raised (Shell V, Refresh) it is now the case that spells unavailable to SCH via main or support job cannot be accessioned. This says nothing about spells SCH can access. Haste and Reraise are not part of this statement because they are spells SCH can use. The issue is that in the current production game, WHM/SCH can't accession Regen IV (or Cure V) presumably because SCH can't use the spell. Since SCH will be able to use Regen IV, it should become accessionable. It would be absolutely ridiculous to allow Regen 1-3 to be AOE and not 4.

I also agree, like I have forever, that haste should be accessionable. I don't think it should be limited to SCH main. I do think the AOE capabilities of SCH should be better than other jobs /SCH, but other jobs /SCH are already severely limited by charge count and recovery. Also, buff cycling is the devil, and should be fought against with religious fervor on all jobs.

As far as SCH being hated and overbuffed: lol. To offer another perspective, my LS that is FULL of BLM and WHM mains, and one lone SCH main (me), has nothing but positive things to say about SCH. Not only do I get to play it in 90% of all current end game events, people constantly express their interest in leveling it now and look forward to their Hailstorm, Aurorastorm, and especially Crackbrava.

[Siiri]

So it is not overpowered, but everyone wants to level it since the buffs? Make up your mind, people don't want to level a bad job.

Oh and the whole point of having a main job, like white mage or black mage you wouldn't level a competitor to replace it. I guess that is the difference in the black mages I know, they love the job and don't want to replace it with scholar.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Klimaform
No complaints on this. Lasting the full duration of the recast is more than I expected.

Helix
New duration and MP cost sound good. Though a longer duration on mobs I never used them on because they died too quickly is of course useless. And the mobs that don't die too quickly are too resistant or render helix useless with the dINT problem. Called the subbable thing, and absolutely hate it.

Regen
I'm not impressed by the numbers. I'd still rather have a casting time reduction. I'd like SCH to have a job trait similar to WHM's Divine Benison but for enhancing magic that would drastically cut casting time, recast time and enmity values.

Has it been confirmed that Regen IV is still not accessionable on the test server? I agree with Neisan's wording on accessionable spells. With a few timing exceptions while the caps were being raised (Shell V, Refresh) it is now the case that spells unavailable to SCH via main or support job cannot be accessioned. This says nothing about spells SCH can access. Haste and Reraise are not part of this statement because they are spells SCH can use. The issue is that in the current production game, WHM/SCH can't accession Regen IV (or Cure V) presumably because SCH can't use the spell. Since SCH will be able to use Regen IV, it should become accessionable. It would be absolutely ridiculous to allow Regen 1-3 to be AOE and not 4.

I also agree, like I have forever, that haste should be accessionable. I don't think it should be limited to SCH main. I do think the AOE capabilities of SCH should be better than other jobs /SCH, but other jobs /SCH are already severely limited by charge count and recovery. Also, buff cycling is the devil, and should be fought against with religious fervor on all jobs.

As far as SCH being hated and overbuffed: lol. To offer another perspective, my LS that is FULL of BLM and WHM mains, and one lone SCH main (me), has nothing but positive things to say about SCH. Not only do I get to play it in 90% of all current end game events, people constantly express their interest in leveling it now and look forward to their Hailstorm, Aurorastorm, and especially Crackbrava.

Regen IV took accession of me but ReRaise didn't, so I'd say it can be Accessioned. Hard to fully test when no one is on the server and the people on it ignore you.

EDIT: Just found a very nice person that allowed me to test, it is Accession-able.

[Merton9999]

Regen IV took accession of me but ReRaise didn't, so I'd say it can be Accessioned. Hard to fully test when no one is on the server and the people on it ignore you.

Nice. Glad to see they thought of this. IIRC in addition to the icon being removed, I think you can also tell if the spell is accessionable by whether or not the MP cost is doubled in the spell list after using Accession.

Siiri I can see your point if people are emotional about their original job, I just don't honestly know that many people who are in the current environment. My perspective is very different at least. I played WHM and BLM for years before SCH was introduced. I leveled it because I thought it would be new and different compared to the 5-button sleepwalking sessions I had grown sick of on WHM and BLM. The first notice I had of all this jealousy and heartache over a competing job was reading forums. I never heard it in any of my LSs over the years.

As far as the contradiction between not being OP but people wanting to level it now: I didn't mean to imply that recent adjustments caused a surge in interest within my group. It's more just watching someone use 4-year-old stuff to do interesting things. They don't know what the job needs at 95 any more than anyone else who judges the OP status from afar by looking at one big nuke number in the chat log on average every 48 seconds.

[Raksha]

So it is not overpowered, but everyone wants to level it since the buffs? Make up your mind, people don't want to level a bad job.

Oh and the whole point of having a main job, like white mage or black mage you wouldn't level a competitor to replace it. I guess that is the difference in the black mages I know, they love the job and don't want to replace it with scholar.

Of the 5 other people in my linkshell who have sch levelled (besides me) all 5 of them also have WHM levelled and 4 of them have BLM levelled.

The majority of those ppl would qualify themselves as "BLM main". Perhaps you just have weird BLMs in your LS.

[Cuelebra]

ok this is not cool. Unless they plan on giving SCH tier2 helix spells go ahead. VW is about process not damage. we have smns and dd's for that. SCH was actually useful because of process and ability to backup heal. now they are totally useless. I agree the buffs to SCH LA/DA are cool. but very few mobs require strong dot to kill in the game.

[Zhronne]

did some tests with Light Arts, Tabula Rasa and Regen

Regen IV adds +8 to potency for a final amount of 58 hp/tic at level 95 (with +2 bonnet)
Regen I was at 29 (without bonnet)
Lasting time during Tabula Rasa is approximatively 210 seconds.

It's +24 hp/tic compared to "normal" Regen IV, altough the more impressive thing here, more than the potency, is the lasting. Especially if paired with Perpetuance it's gonna have a pretty high uptime.

Potency formula for Light Arts looking to be something like: (SCH level / 5) -3
150% of that for Tabula Rasa.
Credit goes to Foldypaws of Lakshmi



Edit:
Oh also I forgot. Regen IV works with Accession! Works even as WHM/SCH.

[Sasaraixx]

I don't play scholar

That's the problem with all of yours posts.

Unpopular is not the same as underpowered. Sch is relatively unpopular, for many varied reasons. One of them is the same reason pup is unpopular, its job ability heavy and seems complicated to the average DD.

You are trying to argue against a point that I did not raise. Where in any of my posts did I say that SCH is either underpowered or needs buffs because it is unpopular? The reason SCH is unpopular is because it serves no useful purpose in this game. If the job were nearly as overpowered as you claim, it would be the bandwagon job for 2011. I don't care how JA intensive it is.The reason it isn't popular is because it has no role and you admit that yourself. All of these SCHs in your LS who go on about how overpowered they are, how often are they asked to come SCH to events? The answer is probably rarely because there is almost never a reason to bring a SCH when you already have a BLM or WHM. THAT is the problem. We are starting to get to a point where that is changing and some people are feeling threatened. I can't for the life of me understand why. I have every mage job leveled and SCH isn't even the job I consider my main.

Buffs are needed to Light Arts because making it a more reliable main healer would help to carve out a role for it in this game. You concede the point that it is Light Arts that needs the buffs and not DA.

To be blunt, I don't care if you hate the job. I find most of your fears to be pretty silly. As long as there is a proc system, BLM will always be taken over SCH. The new defensive tools and mp regeneration available to BLM have also seriously helped the job. BLM can still kill things quicker, but SCH can pull ahead over time. There really isn't very much content out now, however, that rewards the DOT SCH brings to the table.

And there are so many different reasons why WHM is and always will be the #1 healer in this game that I'm tired of listing them. You could give Cure V to RDM and that wouldn't change at all. If SCH continues receive buffs to Light Arts then it will not need the spell.

And get over Tabula Rasa already. It's a two hour ability. And there are some pretty overpowered things that you can do with other two hours in this game.

The job isn't going away and the updates aren't stopping. It would probably be a lot more beneficial to everyone if you would instead offer suggestions of ways to make the job more compatible with other mages instead instead of complaining about nothing.

I also disagree with your opinion of PUP, THF and DRK but it is time for lunch and I've already written too much!