Thoughts on the FFXI Job Adjustment Manifesto

[Ank]

Aye it was a boost to sch/nin if you needed stoneskin or blm/sch I guess, still don't see many of them around. Could just be the trashy forums I read, but I remember a lot of comments about sch winning that update though - either not understanding how sch works, not a surprise, or simply looking at the number of updates instead of what they were.

At the least they could have let us accession the spikes after giving them natively.

[Economizer]

The way I interpreted that change was to fix SCH as a subjob rather than SCH as a main job. The only thing SCH practically got out of that update is Shock Spikes since we could only sub it using /blm (which is rarely used)

If SE was fixing Scholar as a sub job, they would have added Ice Spikes at a sub-able level. As it stands, most of the updates, and updates SE is considering pretty much seem to be making it so that at 99, Red Mage and Scholar are the main choices for sub jobs, and Black Mage if you want Stun.

Aye it was a boost to sch/nin if you needed stoneskin or blm/sch I guess, still don't see many of them around. Could just be the trashy forums I read, but I remember a lot of comments about sch winning that update though - either not understanding how sch works, not a surprise, or simply looking at the number of updates instead of what they were.

At the least they could have let us accession the spikes after giving them natively.

Spikes spells are under Dark Arts, so in order to AOE them you have to use Manifestation.

[Eric]

Spikes spells are under Dark Arts, so in order to AOE them you have to use Manifestation.

Way to miss the point.

[Siiri]

What is funny about scholars complaining is they always use the argument, "We are the 18th job out of 20 in the games according to the census." Who do people think should be the 18th played job? It has to be someone right? There are 20 jobs in the game, are they all supposed to be at exactly 5%? (Perhaps that would be nice, but SE has never given us a hint it cared to obtain that type of balance. ) So why shouldn't a job that was one of the 3 last introduced be comparatively unpopular? The other jobs down there are also some of the last introduced, like Corsair and Pup. Scholars are not "owed" responses more than any other job, there were at least 10 jobs made fairly useless in the Abyssea era, scholar doesn't have it any worse than a lot of other jobs.

In fact, scholar has been one of the most consistently updated jobs by SE. How many updates have they "won" in the words of forums goers. Let's remember the big huge update 4 years ago or whenever when Kaeko wrote his blog that black mage was now obsolete due to the overpowering of scholar. Scholars still complain and want more more more though.

[Raksha]

If SE was fixing Scholar as a sub job, they would have added Ice Spikes at a sub-able level. As it stands, most of the updates, and updates SE is considering pretty much seem to be making it so that at 99, Red Mage and Scholar are the main choices for sub jobs, and Black Mage if you want Stun.

No one picks a sub based on ice spikes.

Spikes spells are under Dark Arts, so in order to AOE them you have to use Manifestation.

Except manifestion doesn't work on enhancing spells.

[Merton9999]

Manifestation works on spike spells now. It surprised me too. I don't remember it ever being announced in an update. An LS member told me he noticed it working, then I tried it and was surprised myself. I know it didn't work originally. Maybe it was updated when SCH got the spell natively (December?) Wiki even lists spikes as manifestationable now.

As far as the ability wording, I don't think it lists dark magic either but Klimaform, Stun, Aspir, Drain, etc...

It's funny when you cast it too. Unlike every other AOE spell, there is no animation on anyone other than the caster. The log just says they received the effect and it works on them.

[Raksha]

Manifestation works on spike spells now.

Well I'll be damned!

If you happen to read this Camate (or any other mod) please send the dev team our thanks for making this change.

[Merton9999]

Well I'll be damned!

If you happen to read this Camate (or any other mod) please send the dev team our thanks for making this change.

Agreed! I've found it pretty useful in and out of Aby. The only gripe I have is you miss out on the light arts enhancing magic bonus, but tbh I really don't know how the effects are determined on the other targets without enhancing skill. Haven't tested it on anyone other than a PLD.

[Economizer]

Way to miss the point.

And what point would that be? The other point the guy said about people not understanding the job? I considered talking about that, but it was something that is fairly antagonistic, and while it might be true, especially with people not understanding stuff like being able to give spikes to a party, it isn't exactly something polite to point out. I still don't like mentioning it, since we aren't here to attack each other.

No one picks a sub based on ice spikes.

Not many people pick a sub job based on Flash either, but like Ice Spikes, it is incredibly useful. There have been fights I've gone to with Black Mage sub due to the better crowd control the sub provides, Ice Spikes being a major part of it (and I would have gone Red Mage sub instead, but it was underleveled.)

What is funny about scholars complaining is they always use the argument, "We are the 18th job out of 20 in the games according to the census." Who do people think should be the 18th played job? It has to be someone right? There are 20 jobs in the game, are they all supposed to be at exactly 5%? (Perhaps that would be nice, but SE has never given us a hint it cared to obtain that type of balance. ) So why shouldn't a job that was one of the 3 last introduced be comparatively unpopular? The other jobs down there are also some of the last introduced, like Corsair and Pup. Scholars are not "owed" responses more than any other job, there were at least 10 jobs made fairly useless in the Abyssea era, scholar doesn't have it any worse than a lot of other jobs.

Now, once again, I will be clear here, this isn't to say that there are no valid complaints, just to reaffirm this thoughtful statement, since it is not a valid complaint to say your job should be popular to play.

Lets think about Bard. Bard is one of the most powerful jobs in the game - I can't think of a good zerg strategy that doesn't use one unless you are busting out Monk two hour abilities. The job also has a ton of other abilities that make it incredibly useful, but most of these are related to songs, which can be frustrating. Bard isn't ranked very highly in the job rankings - and I don't expect it to ever break a 4-5% mark for main jobs any time soon, and this is despite it being a well sought out job in Abyssea.

Corsair is in a very similar position too, very powerful and unique abilities, low (lower then Scholar) user rates. Puppetmaster also sits in a similar position. I think someone would be a fool to categorize these jobs as weak, or underpowered, personally.

[Karbuncle]

Well I'll be damned!

If you happen to read this Camate (or any other mod) please send the dev team our thanks for making this change.

Hmmm, Curious if you could Manifestation Dread Spikes! im going to test this now. BRB with answer,