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  1. #391
    Player Rambus's Avatar
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    what is the point of changing the level of helix spells learned unless they plan to make the first 8 subable and make helix II?

    why is our weather buffs subable? they should make them all subable then and give us double weather effect spells.
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  2. #392
    Player Sasaraixx's Avatar
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    I don't really see the need to make available via SJ either but perhaps the thought is that it would be silly to have tier II helices right after the tier one line ends. They could also jusy make them all available from lv50-60. We'll see.

    The proposed changes to Dark Arts to enhance helix spells makes me think that they will be available pre lv50 though. As it stands, BLM and RDM could probably cast those spells more effectiely than SCH (barring Ebuillience. I've given up on MV at this point.) The buffs to SCH main would be justified in my opinion.

    I'm interested to see how strong our Regens will become. I think SE really is running with the DOT/HOT concept. I just wish they would deal with aldoquium and the enmity spells!
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  3. #393
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    We are planning to update the test server extremely soon and we will be releasing the exact schedule in the information section. Below are the planned adjustments for scholar:
    • Light Arts will give a bonus to the effect and effect duration of Regen
    • Dark Arts will give a bonus to the effect and effect duration of Helix spells
    • Tabula Rasa will give a bonus to Regen and Helix spells’ effect and effect duration
    • While under the effects of Tabula Rasa, there will be no recast times for Light Arts and Dark Arts
    • The levels at which you learn Regen III/IV will be adjusted
    • The levels at which Helix spells are learned, as well as their MP cost will be adjusted
    • The recast time for Modus Veritas will be adjusted
    • The effect duration of Klimaform will be adjusted
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  4. #394
    Player Merton9999's Avatar
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    I'm as apprehensive about the lower helix level requirement as the rest of the comments here. I suspect it's happening so /SCH can proc with helix spells in VW, which will actually make SCH main less desirable. We still have Libra and MV I guess. I hope that the DA bonus to helix is actually a bonus compared to what we see now, and not actually an additional nerf when cast in LA.

    I do have high hopes for Klimaform duration. Despite the fact that I think it's fine to allow it on /SCH, it does bother me that RDM/SCH can fulltime it with Composure active and SCH currently can't.

    Regen III and IV learning level adjustments are long overdue for SCH. I'd also like to ask the devs to decrease the casting time of regen for SCH under LA. If the other mage jobs have such huge bonuses to spell casting time in their specialty spells, SCH at least needs to be able to cast enhancing spells faster.

    I'm anxious to see results from the test server but I'm reserving excitement like I've learned to do with SCH announcements since level 76.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    • Light Arts will give a bonus to the effect and effect duration of Regen
    • Dark Arts will give a bonus to the effect and effect duration of Helix spells
    • Tabula Rasa will give a bonus to Regen and Helix spells’ effect and effect duration
    • While under the effects of Tabula Rasa, there will be no recast times for Light Arts and Dark Arts
    • The levels at which you learn Regen III/IV will be adjusted
    • The levels at which Helix spells are learned, as well as their MP cost will be adjusted
    • The recast time for Modus Veritas will be adjusted
    • The effect duration of Klimaform will be adjusted
    All of this sounds very interesting, but there's so much riding on the actual numbers involved that it's hard to get excited or infuriated yet.

    I eagerly await the return of the test server. I haven't felt infuriated for a while, and I miss the sensation.
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  6. #396
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    We are planning to update the test server extremely soon and we will be releasing the exact schedule in the information section. Below are the planned adjustments for scholar:

    • Light Arts will give a bonus to the effect and effect duration of Regen
    • Dark Arts will give a bonus to the effect and effect duration of Helix spells
    I hope these are significant.

    • Tabula Rasa will give a bonus to Regen and Helix spells’ effect and effect duration
    More 2hr buffs. /confused.

    • While under the effects of Tabula Rasa, there will be no recast times for Light Arts and Dark Arts
    Good good. Been wanting this for a while.

    • The levels at which you learn Regen III/IV will be adjusted
    Goes along with the light arts bonus.

    • The levels at which Helix spells are learned, as well as their MP cost will be adjusted
    Like others have said, no reason for this except to add Helix II spells. Are they gonna be part of the new merit system though?

    • The recast time for Modus Veritas will be adjusted
    • The effect duration of Klimaform will be adjusted
    Good stuff.
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  7. #397
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merton9999 View Post
    I'm as apprehensive about the lower helix level requirement as the rest of the comments here. I suspect it's happening so /SCH can proc with helix spells in VW, which will actually make SCH main less desirable. We still have Libra and MV I guess. I hope that the DA bonus to helix is actually a bonus compared to what we see now, and not actually an additional nerf when cast in LA.

    I do have high hopes for Klimaform duration. Despite the fact that I think it's fine to allow it on /SCH, it does bother me that RDM/SCH can fulltime it with Composure active and SCH currently can't.

    Regen III and IV learning level adjustments are long overdue for SCH. I'd also like to ask the devs to decrease the casting time of regen for SCH under LA. If the other mage jobs have such huge bonuses to spell casting time in their specialty spells, SCH at least needs to be able to cast enhancing spells faster.

    I'm anxious to see results from the test server but I'm reserving excitement like I've learned to do with SCH announcements since level 76.
    I agree with all of this. If the intent of including Helix spells to the list of Voidwatch procs was to encourage groups to invite Scholar, making them available via /SCH will pretty much put the nail in the coffin on that idea.

    Also, great point about the casting time of Regen spells. That should be another perk given to the Regen bonus. To be perfectly honest, I think another tier of Fast Case should be given to the Grimoire bonuses.

    Klimaform - we'll see. It is a bit silly that RDM/SCH can full time the spell, but SCH cannot. We'll see how long they increase the duration for us.

    And per tradition, I will mention in every post I make in this forum until we see some feedback: PLEASE adjust Aldoquium and the Animus spells.
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  8. #398
    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    I'm as apprehensive about the lower helix level requirement as the rest of the comments here. I suspect it's happening so /SCH can proc with helix spells in VW, which will actually make SCH main less desirable.
    You're jumping the gun in assuming this means that they will be subbable. Helixes can drop by up to 10 levels without being subbable. Even if the intent is to make procing in voidwatch easier, scholar will still be desireable because they will be likely most effective when used by a scholar, and helixes being potent DoTs, should be desirable for more than just procing.

    As everyone has said though, it will most likely be to make room for helix II.
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  9. #399
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    Regen spells could use a casting time reduction in general, Light Arts isn't going to make it MP efficient for White Mages unless White Mages are getting the full buffs Scholars are and it doubles the effect or duration.

    I'm almost as disappointed in the White Mage AF3 gloves effect as I am that Scholars didn't get Regen IV. White Mages haven't really been getting enough boosts to Regen spells to really make the spell worth casting as a White Mage (and nor do I care about the ones we have in the slightest), whereas, Scholar has. While it make sense for White Mage to get Regen IV, considering spell list and merits and such, it is terribly silly that Scholar hasn't yet, let alone that they didn't get it first.

    Scholar getting more boosts to Regen spells makes a lot of sense, especially since they currently have the tools to make the Regen spells work MP efficiently, whereas White Mage does not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaraixx View Post
    Klimaform - we'll see. It is a bit silly that RDM/SCH can full time the spell, but SCH cannot. We'll see how long they increase the duration for us.

    And per tradition, I will mention in every post I make in this forum until we see some feedback: PLEASE adjust Aldoquium and the Animus spells.
    If they increased Klimaform even by 20 seconds, you could full time it between strats and gear if I remember correctly, but I don't see why they'd do something so minor. I think they're going to increase it to somewhere in the neighborhood of three minutes.

    As per your other suggestions, the Animus spells need to be buffed just as badly as the barailment spells. Adloquium could use a boost with Light Arts or skill.
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    I think since rapture enhances the potency of WHM spells this should enhance the potency of not just cure/dia/banish but stoneskin/phalanx/blink/bar-spells/regen/enmity spells/haste/aquaveil.

    Ebulliennce should enhance spike damage even AoE.

    I also feel that Immanence should have skillchain bound(like SAM) or something to increase the time to SC or MB

    Also it would be great to have the Addendum icon w/ a number on the side just like ninja utsusemi.

    Helix II spells are good but it must have some added effect to seperate it from tier I. I was thinking lower resistence or even add ailments. However, if they don't add anything SE would just lower the lvl to learn spells and have tier II do almost the same dmg or a little more as our tier I.

    sooo pisses me off to see that WHM (I can see RDM) can give status buffs (boost-spell) more than my merited stormsurge. Please consider this..this is a disappointment.

    Since we already have Kaustra which is the ultimate dot. Why not make other spells w/ different elements do same thing. For those mobs that have a resistant to darkness damage I would rather want to use a taby spell that the mob is weak to that way i get the full potency.
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