[Job Adjustmentｓ Manifesto] NIN

[Louispv]

How does having more hp make a job stronger?

The entire reason MNK is useful but other melees aren't is that they have enough HP to actually absorb enemy attacks without dying. If NIN had as many (or more, considering BLM's conserve mp I vs GEO's conserve mp VII) HP bonuses as MNK, they'd be a lot more useful as DD's. Especially since other DD's have to lose /WAR to get shadows from /NIN, but a NIN can still sub WAR. Damned near every fight now has "Keep shadows up, or be one shotted by AoE's" as the basic rule now, anyway.

[FrankReynolds]

The entire reason MNK is useful but other melees aren't is that they have enough HP to actually absorb enemy attacks without dying. If NIN had as many (or more, considering BLM's conserve mp I vs GEO's conserve mp VII) HP bonuses as MNK, they'd be a lot more useful as DD's. Especially since other DD's have to lose /WAR to get shadows from /NIN, but a NIN can still sub WAR. Damned near every fight now has "Keep shadows up, or be one shotted by AoE's" as the basic rule now, anyway.

In that case, paladin is the best DD evar!

No seriously though, Monks pump out a crap load of damage AND don't get one shotted. The first part is probably the most important in most cases though.

[Afania]

In that case, paladin is the best DD evar!

No seriously though, Monks pump out a crap load of damage AND don't get one shotted. The first part is probably the most important in most cases though.

PLD's dmg is crap, NIN's dmg is a lot closer to a real DD. Also I'm pretty sure MNK is no longer the top DPS after last update, they just have higher HP.

[Damane]

PLD's dmg is crap, NIN's dmg is a lot closer to a real DD. Also I'm pretty sure MNK is no longer the top DPS after last update, they just have higher HP.

that depends on the pld, i have seen plds do respectable dmg while main tanking. it all depends if they get the same proper support like any DD would get. obviously a pld with only shit buffs like ballad isnt gonna pull his weigh, but an ochain pld that doesnt have to worry about getting 1 shot due to ochain and/or sherzo can pump out respectable dmg if buffed like a melee. PLD is also one of the jobs to reach some of the highest accuracy numbers by itself by gear/selfbuffs without outside buffs.

[WoW]

PLD's dmg is crap, NIN's dmg is a lot closer to a real DD. Also I'm pretty sure MNK is no longer the top DPS after last update, they just have higher HP.

I agree with this.

Also; nin are very good dd, but if you are comparing them to a sam; yea......sams are just plain broken atm (or rngs whom have the comfort of safety and great damage).

If shurikens and Ninjutsu are brought back, nin will be insane. I miss the utility at lower lvls; thrashing colibri outside of Whitegate with manji and the elemental wheel in the 40s. Good times.

[Louispv]

In that case, paladin is the best DD evar!

No seriously though, Monks pump out a crap load of damage AND don't get one shotted. The first part is probably the most important in most cases though.

MNK never really did the most damage (Except for the first few weeks of delve, where oats were easy to get, but no one had any other 119 weapons because they came from harder bosses.) they just didn't die nearly so easily. Every fight was "Keep mantra up full time so nothing kills you" or bust.

And especially after the skillchain update, every 2 handed job can outdo MNK with a good enough store TP set. They however, will die horribly and never get to use it. Damage barely matters anyway. Some people cleared Very Difficult fights with just PLD and some PUP's as DD's. (Because they can dump all their hate onto a puppet outside AoE range every minute and send it away, thus never pulling hate.) And every delve boss can be killed by BRD/1 DD/WHM. The enemies don't have that much HP or that much defense. Surviving the fight's the hard part.

[FrankReynolds]

PLD's dmg is crap, NIN's dmg is a lot closer to a real DD. Also I'm pretty sure MNK is no longer the top DPS after last update, they just have higher HP.

That was sarcasm. People aren't going to start bringing ninjas to everything just because they got a few more hit points.

MNK never really did the most damage (Except for the first few weeks of delve, where oats were easy to get, but no one had any other 119 weapons because they came from harder bosses.) they just didn't die nearly so easily. Every fight was "Keep mantra up full time so nothing kills you" or bust.

And especially after the skillchain update, every 2 handed job can outdo MNK with a good enough store TP set. They however, will die horribly and never get to use it. Damage barely matters anyway. Some people cleared Very Difficult fights with just PLD and some PUP's as DD's. (Because they can dump all their hate onto a puppet outside AoE range every minute and send it away, thus never pulling hate.) And every delve boss can be killed by BRD/1 DD/WHM. The enemies don't have that much HP or that much defense. Surviving the fight's the hard part.

I'll believe it when I start seeing shouts for ninjas in PUG. Until then, the extra HP is pretty much useless.