[dev100x] Relic & Mythic Weapon Adjustments

[Charismatic]

That's exactly what the complaint is. Lv90 relics are pretty bad (generally speaking) compared to Lv90 Empyreans, and every level you can have them both at too, actually.
Relics even today are still harder to obtain as well. It's pretty silly.

[Corres]

The only people that are "upset" are the people who are relic owners who use their relic/relics as an excuse to feel they are superior to other players who have yet to obtain one,

Wrong! i don't own a relic. but for me a Relic weapon has far more value to me than an empyrean ever will. Relics take a lot more time and friends willing to help you out (animated weapons i am looking at you). it is a shame that Relic Weapons have become the "lol"-version of the legendary weapons obtainable by their respective jobs.

[brayen]

Fact of the matter is the game started as a big group effort with alliance etc. Game is now at a point where for all intents and purposes alliances are just an option not a necessity. If anything comes with the new dynamis change making relic more attainable it should be welcomed.

As for the whole argument about relics being outclassed by emp weapons, i am not sure they have changed much. If i am not mistaken relics have only fallen to second best (not including the ones that were never that great to begin with). As of the lv 90 magian trials they have shown signs of improving the WS and such of both mythic and relic, so they will becoming more powerful so in this regard i honestly just say let's see where it ends up.

Relic is not harder to attain then an emp as a post right before mines mentions. It just costs more in terms of money. Otherwise ur only effort goes into finding the coins to buy. Thus my disagreement at the start of my post with the OP, where as relic and mythic should be made as available as an emp. and previous time spent should never be a reason to be disappointed at newer development.

[Nosboh]

I would like to see BLU, PUP, COR, DNC, SCH added to a relic weapon. That would make me happy.

[Unctgtg]

The only people that are "upset" are the people who are relic owners who use their relic/relics as an excuse to feel they are superior to other players who have yet to obtain one, so lets keep it real here shall we? I bet Unctgtg is one of those players with his Apocalypse (I see 90 DRK on him, so it's a pretty educated guess)

I welcome this change to dynamis, as I enjoyed it since I first started doing it, and am looking forward to trying out this new "Dynamis v2.0"

Yes I am level 90, with Apoc. I also spent 18 months getting one. I also spent 24-30 days EVERY SINGLE update when cap was increasing, doing the trials (before they lowered it to 400 killshots) only to watch Emp completely blow relics out of the water. I would spend 2-3 hrs a night soloing for my kill shots, 9500 mobs that I had to kill with WS Killshot. Don't tell me I haven't put in my time.

When I see a person do an entire emp in 4 days from start to finish Its very disheartening to see them completely outdamage me along with other relics/mythics.

SE needs to fix these in the next update.

Edit: and calling me an elitest, ask anyone that truly knows me, I am far from it.

[Crysten]

If you consider the factors going into both weapons, I honestly feel relics are not that hard to get. For everyone throwing around the argument that "baaw, my relic is crap compared to something I could get in a week," here's a crazy thought: why don't you get an Empyrean? You just said it was easy, right?

Relics only need money and two NMs in Dynamis. People are only restricted by the amount of currency they can buy/handle at any given time. One of my friends completed Spharai in around 3 months just by bazaaring in Upper Jeuno. The majority of time spent upgrading a relic is simply through farming Gil and buying currency. To me, that isn't hard. Yes, you could throw in the "2 years of sponsored Dynamis" argument, but really, money is all it essentially boils down to.

Empyreans, by comparison, are all time investment and work, made easier by the constant level cap increases. If you were one of the pioneers, going for say, a Masamune at level 80, you'd have probably needed an alliance to take down Carabosse. Anyone can get a relic. Dynamis isn't hard, especially now. Relic owners obtained their weapons through monetary investments. Empyrean owners obtained their weapons through time investments.

I will agree the original relic trial upgrade criteria were absolutely crazy though.

The only weapons that desperately need a fix at this point are Mythics. SE came so close to making that questline great until they plopped the 30,000 Alexandrite requirement on it, making it nigh impossible to complete a Mythic at this point now that Salvage is dead.

I just feel this argument is going exactly the same way as those nostalgic people from the CoP era. You got a relic when it was hard, and now you're upset that years and 15 levels later, there's now something better.

Boo freaking hoo. It doesn't cheapen the achievement, just get with the times.

[Wheels]

As a relic owner myself(Mandau and Annihilator both lvl 90) I can honestly say my damage is pretty close to the empyrean weapons of the same type. Mercy Stroke is too spread out with damage but Eviceration does 3.8k-4.2k damage almost all the time. Coronach does alot as well around 3k-6k and have seen barrage do as high as 10k with triple proc of course. It just seems that certain weapons(Relics) can still maintain their sweet damage while others seem to be greatly needed of improvement. I have several Apoc's in LS and these guys that have it, upgraded Empyrean great axe because Apoc damage is suffering. And yes the trials before nerf for relics/mythics were severally painful and always fighting for mobs when an alliance shows up to kill the same thing you are killing. I tried to do trials with these alliances but they never got the concept that I need killshot so wasted my time and rolled out of alliance. All in all yes I agree relics/mythics really do need a damage boost for some weapons but like I said there is a few that already is good.

[Cenz]

Yes I am level 90, with Apoc. I also spent 18 months getting one. I also spent 24-30 days EVERY SINGLE update when cap was increasing, doing the trials (before they lowered it to 400 killshots) only to watch Emp completely blow relics out of the water. I would spend 2-3 hrs a night soloing for my kill shots, 9500 mobs that I had to kill with WS Killshot. Don't tell me I haven't put in my time.

When I see a person do an entire emp in 4 days from start to finish Its very disheartening to see them completely outdamage me along with other relics/mythics.

SE needs to fix these in the next update.

Edit: and calling me an elitest, ask anyone that truly knows me, I am far from it.

uncle tug tug!!! Your an elitest!! lol j/k we still <3 u!

[Porcius]

I think the best way to fix Relic weapons is to make them break caps as well as the already implemented %dmg of ws increase. i.e. Catastrophe: Additional effect 10% haste instead of replacing 10% gear haste. Aegis should break MDT cap. Amano should give tp return as if it were 450 delay on top of the 10 store tp. These are just a few ideas they could add to the 95 version. It gives them an edge to keep up with the aftermath of empyreans.

[Cream_Soda]

lol, didn't read the stickes, oh well. Still a lot of mayad up in here