[dev100x] Relic & Mythic Weapon Adjustments

[InfamousDS]

You're claiming I should just sit around and wait for to drop into my lap out of some sense of self entitlement.
It's that same sense self entitlement that lead to this thread's creation.

No, its that same sense of anger and betrayal that started this thread. You loved your uncle, and this other relative you've never met is given something your uncle knew you were saving to get. He could have left it to you, but instead he allowed you to spend all that time and energy going into something that is now actually less.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

No, its that same sense of anger and betrayal that started this thread. You loved your uncle, and this other relative you've never met is given something your uncle knew you were saving to get. He could have left it to you, but instead he allowed you to spend all that time and energy going into something that is now actually less.

That's still misguided self entitlement.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

No, its that same sense of anger and betrayal that started this thread. You loved your uncle, and this other relative you've never met is given something your uncle knew you were saving to get. He could have left it to you, but instead he allowed you to spend all that time and energy going into something that is now actually less.

And, mayeb the uncle know you were better off. Maybe your cousin is too stupid to do thing for themself and needed all the help they could get.(No, that's not a game analogy. It's a realistic view of the situation you put forth.)

[Cream_Soda]

No, its that same sense of anger and betrayal that started this thread. You loved your uncle, and this other relative you've never met is given something your uncle knew you were saving to get. He could have left it to you, but instead he allowed you to spend all that time and energy going into something that is now actually less.

That's entitlement, buddy. There's nothing that says he has to give you anything at all.

[InfamousDS]

You only see it as negative because it suits your argument.

The Uncle is, of course, SE. The relative is, oh lets say Cream because they are readily available example. You are the relic owner. The only investment they have made is time. That's it. You have spent 6 years making and saving for your relic, and they spent 2 weeks making an Empyrean at no cost.

I don't own one, but I'm willing to take the banner of their side because no matter how you explain it away the fact remains: They got more for less, and I at least deserve the money I've spent since I can't get the time back. The actual least they could do is make Empyreans harder or relics more effective in Abyssea. The scales are not balanced. It may be entitlement, but it is righteous entitlement and not as self-serving as you are trying to say. If Empyreans were even CLOSE to the challenge of relics, then the fact they are better would be well-deserved. But they aren't, and so Empyreans are now owned by every jerk-off with an excess of 2 friends, a LS, or enough patience to shout. Which, btw, you can't do even with the dynamis adjustments more than once every day.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

You only see it as negative because it suits your argument.

The Uncle is, of course, SE. The relative is, oh lets say Cream because they are readily available example. You are the relic owner. The only investment they have made is time. That's it. You have spent 6 years making and saving for your relic, and they spent 2 weeks making an Empyrean at no cost.

I don't own one, but I'm willing to take the banner of their side because no matter how you explain it away the fact remains: They got more for less, and I at least deserve the money I've spent since I can't get the time back. The actual least they could do is make Empyreans harder or relics more effective in Abyssea. The scales are not balanced. It may be entitlement, but it is righteous entitlement and not as self-serving as you are trying to say. If Empyreans were even CLOSE to the challenge of relics, then the fact they are better would be well-deserved. But they aren't, and so Empyreans are now owned by every jerk-off with an excess of 2 friends, a LS, or enough patience to shout. Which, btw, you can't do even with the dynamis adjustments more than once every day.

You gone from a self imposed sense of entitlement to just plain greed. Trying to keep what you achieved for yourself all the while feeling self pitty because some one else achieved the same thing earlier.

[ffxkenshin]

You only see it as negative because it suits your argument.

The Uncle is, of course, SE. The relative is, oh lets say Cream because they are readily available example. You are the relic owner. The only investment they have made is time. That's it. You have spent 6 years making and saving for your relic, and they spent 2 weeks making an Empyrean at no cost.

I don't own one, but I'm willing to take the banner of their side because no matter how you explain it away the fact remains: They got more for less, and I at least deserve the money I've spent since I can't get the time back. The actual least they could do is make Empyreans harder or relics more effective in Abyssea. The scales are not balanced. It may be entitlement, but it is righteous entitlement and not as self-serving as you are trying to say. If Empyreans were even CLOSE to the challenge of relics, then the fact they are better would be well-deserved. But they aren't, and so Empyreans are now owned by every jerk-off with an excess of 2 friends, a LS, or enough patience to shout. Which, btw, you can't do even with the dynamis adjustments more than once every day.

Wow, I can't believe I read 14 pages of this going back and forth...

First let me state I own none of the 3 that's mention in the thread (relic, mystic, emp). I have 8 jobs to 90 now, and all was leveled to 75 before level cap, so don't start assuming/accusing me of "that new player that knows no hard work" talk.. I did not level any more new job to 90 since abyssea neither...

I was going to reply after reading what everyone has to say, and if someone already said what I was going to say, I'm just gonna not post at all, but up until your post.. i couldn't help myself but say this:

Something that took more time and effort pre-abyssea time should be of better value to the player? BS to it's core.. it's like saying.. "I spent 5 years in a HNM LS camping everyday for 3 hours for a HNM and waited in lines for all that time to get my XXXX (be it a.body, ridill, n.body, e.body, etc,etc), that XXXX needs to be the top notch piece of gear compare to the easy to get AF3+1, Irongiant gear, etc, etc" (yes I'm saying only +1 b/c they are even easier to get) What kind of argument is that?!

SE already admitted failure in how the original game design was bad and wanted to make a big chance for the better (time grinding on HNM for example), they make quite a few change w/ HNM, but never ever able to simply b/c those are still the considerable "best" piece you can get in game, so in the end, Abyssea came in along w/ the level increase, finally marks the sunset of a problem that EVERYONE, new and old players alike, has complained over many years. Now my question is, why the hack would people keep referring "oh that's how SE has FFXI worked for the many years we played it" ... "it should be that way still" talk.. this bothers me quite a lot..

Someone keep saying SE never meant to replace old gear pre-abyssea.. seriously? yes, there are plenty of gear that is still useful even @ 90 now-a-day, however, to state that there are nearly none is absurd... Cream_Soda already gave a few example.. enough to kick your claim .. then you come back to say .. "oh not the full set is replaced"... I believe initially you were only asking to name some piece for argument sake.. I'm not (and i'm sure those opposing your statement too) are not going to waste time trying to find the gear that did fully replace an older gear.. b/c yes we all know they exist.

To be honest.. IMO...SE did the trials for relic more than likely knowing that there will be these relic owner that will go crazy if they didn't.. maybe not so much really wanting relic.. an older than older content from the old days to still dominates...

and also while you at it.. it's the same argument over other threads about "oh how unfair of SE".. "SE shouldn't this".. "SE shouldn't that".. dynamis WILL be made easier.. ancient currency will "cost" (gil or effort wise) less.. the nm to upgrade due to level increase has become a TON easier than it is pre-abyssea.. so what's your next complaint? "damn i spend good 2 years to get my relic.. why should ppl be able to get it in 3 months or less.. that's so unfair.. SE should make relic that was obtained pre-abyssea 1-2 tier stronger than those newly obtained".... I can see it coming if not already in ppl's mind or already on forum's thread I didn't read...