As a relic owner myself(Mandau and Annihilator both lvl 90) I can honestly say my damage is pretty close to the empyrean weapons of the same type. Mercy Stroke is too spread out with damage but Eviceration does 3.8k-4.2k damage almost all the time. Coronach does alot as well around 3k-6k and have seen barrage do as high as 10k with triple proc of course. It just seems that certain weapons(Relics) can still maintain their sweet damage while others seem to be greatly needed of improvement. I have several Apoc's in LS and these guys that have it, upgraded Empyrean great axe because Apoc damage is suffering. And yes the trials before nerf for relics/mythics were severally painful and always fighting for mobs when an alliance shows up to kill the same thing you are killing. I tried to do trials with these alliances but they never got the concept that I need killshot so wasted my time and rolled out of alliance. All in all yes I agree relics/mythics really do need a damage boost for some weapons but like I said there is a few that already is good.