[Job Adjustmentｓ Manifesto] RDM

[Ketaru]

Toss in "you also will never swing a sword at anything half meaningful outside of soloing/campaign" and you get how I interpreted that post.

You know what? For the life of me, I will never understand why people like you think this is so shameful. If you like to do it, there is finally a place in the game that rewards you for doing so. If you don't like the way EXP parties bar you from doing it, you've got some place you can now. And you can still be part of the player community in doing so now that participation in Campaign has actually risen, as well as giving a modestly good amount of EXP now. And bonus, it is relevant again now that you can use Allied Notes to purchase items for Voidwatch.

You keep resisting Campaign as an option, yet you've already forgotten there was a time when Campaign was the most relevant system in the game. It was during the event's heyday that RDM got Composure and Enspell IIs (granted, the Enspell IIs ended up being a huge flop and Composure has received mixed opinions). People formed 3 hour long lines waiting for an opportunity to do the Campaign-enabled battles like Fiat Lux. Just this past weekend, I waited for 2 1/2 hours for a chance to do Plucking Wings. So I just don't get why you keep belittling it as if it's nonsense.

Hell, maybe what people shouldn't be asking for is a melee buff, but new events added to the game that cater to more free playstyles. You want to melee higher tier NMs like Rani or Shinryu? Well, short of Primeval Brew, it just ain't gonna happen. I keep saying that the game design as it exists now doesn't require RDM to receive a melee buff.

Maybe people should just let go of all their hang ups and stop letting other people dictate how they play their game. Short of a nerf, what is anybody going to do about it if RDM does/doesn't get a melee buff? Quit the job? Frontline and backline advocates don't have to answer that question cause you all know you're not going to do it.

[Zirael]

You know what? For the life of me, I will never understand why people like you think this is so shameful. If you like to do it, there is finally a place in the game that rewards you for doing so. If you don't like the way EXP parties bar you from doing it, you've got some place you can now. And you can still be part of the player community in doing so now that participation in Campaign has actually risen, as well as giving a modestly good amount of EXP now. And bonus, it is relevant again now that you can use Allied Notes to purchase items for Voidwatch.

You keep resisting Campaign as an option, yet you've already forgotten there was a time when Campaign was the most relevant system in the game. It was during the event's heyday that RDM got Composure and Enspell IIs (granted, the Enspell IIs ended up being a huge flop and Composure has received mixed opinions). People formed 3 hour long lines waiting for an opportunity to do the Campaign-enabled battles like Fiat Lux. Just this past weekend, I waited for 2 1/2 hours for a chance to do Plucking Wings. So I just don't get why you keep belittling it as if it's nonsense.

Hell, maybe what people shouldn't be asking for is a melee buff, but new events added to the game that cater to more free playstyles. You want to melee higher tier NMs like Rani or Shinryu? Well, short of Primeval Brew, it just ain't gonna happen. I keep saying that the game design as it exists now doesn't require RDM to receive a melee buff.

Maybe people should just let go of all their hang ups and stop letting other people dictate how they play their game. Short of a nerf, what is anybody going to do about it if RDM does/doesn't get a melee buff? Quit the job? Frontline and backline advocates don't have to answer that question cause you all know you're not going to do it.

We were capable of meeling some endgame content in the past (Jailer of Love tanking and whatever not) but our balls were basically cut off, because we were putting PLD's flawed job design to shame. So in like 2 version updates RDM got kicked out from that niche we had back into Haste/Refresh bi*ch.
That leaves some sour aftertaste in mouth. Sure, we still live on, but can't hit on all the cute girls (HNMs) around anymore, because, what's the point?

[cidbahamut]

We were capable of meeling some endgame content in the past (Jailer of Love tanking and whatever not) but our balls were basically cut off, because we were putting PLD's flawed job design to shame. So in like 2 version updates RDM got kicked out from that niche we had back into Haste/Refresh bi*ch.
That leaves some sour aftertaste in mouth. Sure, we still live on, but can't hit on all the cute girls (HNMs) around anymore, because, what's the point?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the point of using Red Mage on JoL to be able to tank without engaging? I never got to see it in action myself, but that's how I'd always heard it explained.

[Zirael]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the point of using Red Mage on JoL to be able to tank without engaging? I never got to see it in action myself, but that's how I'd always heard it explained.

You are right, I was talking about RDM being a tank, not meeling HNMs to death in particular.

[Duelle]

You know what? For the life of me, I will never understand why people like you think this is so shameful.

Magic Fencer =/= buff bot. That's for starters. We've had this conversation before, though, so I won't do a rerun of that discussion.

I've said it before, but being shuffled aside to solo old/weak content is an insulting way of saying, "You don't matter." It's not hard to figure out why such opinions have been formed, as we've argued the cons time and again, but if you want to argue such a dismissive play style boasts a meaningful longevity to any player... well, let's just say I'll argue against it and leave it at that. Nobody likes being excluded, and the unfortunate root of that problem in FFXI tends to lie in a lack of use. Sure, some will gobble up being pure mage just so they don't feel time spent leveling wasn't wasted or use it as an easy street to other-job loot, but the importance of RDM's conceptual package can not ignore its martial side like it has up until this point. Even the "Melee fodder, magic bosses" line is a farce if all you do or are expected to do is fight "bosses" with the job (Which is basically Voidwatch since you can't interact with outside mobs during a fight). Or in Abyssea's case, the inconvenience of making others wait to shift atmas around after farming pops.

Well said.