[Job Adjustmentｓ Manifesto] RDM

[Economizer]

Rdms really should tell SE how badly RDM needs runic blade

I find it funny that the most powerful abilities that each job is clamoring for all come from the same FF title.

[cidbahamut]

Our enhancing spells are as follows,

Enspells -> Melee orientated
Phalanx -> General purpose
Aquaveil -> General purpose
Spikes -> General purpose
Barspells -> General purpose
Gain Spells -> General purpose
Stoneskin -> General purpose

You can make the case for enhancing magic being more important for melee, but please don't pretend that anything in that list other than enspells is melee oriented.

This goes back to the "mage only" RDM's who leveled it for merits and gear. They have absolute sh!t enhancing magic and won't macro swap to case whatever little spells they do cast. As enhancing is notoriously annoying to cap, these people have ~zero~ interest in any adjustment that would force them to go out and cap enhancing magic.

Now please continue the trolling.

What do full AF idiot RDMs have to do with anything?

[user201108211515]

I find it funny that the most powerful abilities that each job is clamoring for all come from the same FF title.

Prolly cauz #6 is still the best FF ever ^^

Wars need dw 2h weapons
mnks need buton combos to do WS.. so they will be less bored.
... this game needs mimic job...
screw blu.. give us gau...
Ninjas that can throw any weapons.
A class that can throw tarus to deal damage...
I could really go on and on...

[Rayik]

Prolly cauz #6 is still the best FF ever ^^

Wars need dw 2h weapons
mnks need buton combos to do WS.. so they will be less bored.
... this game needs mimic job...
screw blu.. give us gau...
Ninjas that can throw any weapons.
A class that can throw tarus to deal damage...
I could really go on and on...

FF6 had a BLU, it was the old man Strago.

[Rayik]

You can make the case for enhancing magic being more important for melee, but please don't pretend that anything in that list other than enspells is melee oriented.

Ok, I gotta ask. How on earth are self-only spells like Phalanx, Spikes, and SS "general purpose" when they directly deal with something being in melee range and pummeling you? Bar spells I can sort of see being useful at all times, but those other ones literally have no effect unless you are in melee-range with a mob. Maybe Phalanx and SS against some AoE attacks, but Spikes?

What do full AF idiot RDMs have to do with anything?

This goes for both sides of the argument. Idiot players are not job-specific in this game. I've seen some RDM's melee'ing in full AF1, single-wielding, and it makes me want to pull my hair out. I know, I know, it's their money and they can play how they want, but they're doing more to hurt our melee cause than help it.

[cidbahamut]

Ok, I gotta ask. How on earth are self-only spells like Phalanx, Spikes, and SS "general purpose" when they directly deal with something being in melee range and pummeling you? Bar spells I can sort of see being useful at all times, but those other ones literally have no effect unless you are in melee-range with a mob. Maybe Phalanx and SS against some AoE attacks, but Spikes?

Being in melee range is not the same thing as meleeing. As you mentioned yourself, Phalanx and Stoneskin act as damage mitigation, which is always useful. It's less about meleeing, and more about having hate. If you're gonna have hate, you may as well get some free damage from spike spells, and a free effect as well for two of the three options. Spike spells are pretty niche any way you slice it though, since unless you're soloing, chances are you won't have a mob wailing on you all the time. But I was under the impression that the never-ending melee discussion was more in the context of a party scenario rather than solo.

This goes for both sides of the argument. Idiot players are not job-specific in this game. I've seen some RDM's melee'ing in full AF1, single-wielding, and it makes me want to pull my hair out. I know, I know, it's their money and they can play how they want, but they're doing more to hurt our melee cause than help it.

Agreed. Idiots will be idiots no matter what job they exit the mog house as. So I'm understandably perplexed as to why saevel would bring them up at all.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You don't even have to be in melee range for SS/Phalanx to be useful since they mitigate (at least some part of) any kind of damage, calling them melee oriented is silly.

[Supersun]

At the same time if you are back lining properly against most mobs you aren't getting hit.

If you are in melee range some level of AoE damage is usually inevitable and Rdm's defensive spells do help quite a bit with that.

So yes, while they are useful for both front and back, just because of the frequency of damage you will be taking in the front, defensive spells tend to be more useful there than in the back.

[user201108211515]

yes Strago is a blu but seriously.. who ever used him beyond the 1st event @ the fire house. Was always 2 characters to sit out and he was such a bench warmer.. Realm with fake mustache was much better and fun.

[Ketaru]

Your advocating a buff to pet jobs on a RDM update thread. While the idea isn't a bad one, and I do agree pet jobs need fixed, this is not the place to do so. And kindly GTFO with the strawman arguments. At no point in time did I EVER say enhancing was for melee only, I said it was critical for a melee build and that SE should pursue that route for potential melee buffs. Our enhancing spells are as follows,

Actually, I was proposing spells for RDM that are on-topic in the Job Adjustments Manifesto thread, because you know, the Manifesto did say RDMs would be "support specialists who excel at transforming their allies from mere mortals into demigods with their enhancements." How do you know I'm necessarily asking for this from the non-RDM perspective? Maybe I've duoed with friends that have pet jobs before and would love the opportunity to buff them as I would any NIN or WAR.

You can take your strawman BS somewhere else because, to begin with, it's not like I suggested something totally out of topic. In fact, one of the support jobs, COR, already has Rolls that hint at this kind of support, so it isn't as if I asked for something totally out in left field either.